Would a test league of identical rosters in different parks give us any useful information? I would like to see how different hits overall would be Shea versus Dodger, both commonly used as singles parks.

This suggests to me that my Doubles team in the 120M isn't in bad shape despite a division with 3 singles teams, two in Dodger Stadium. My overall team AVG is within 10 points of all my division opponents, and my SLG is about 50 points higher.

Posted by DoctorKz on 6/14/2021 3:39:00 PM (view original):
Would a test league of identical rosters in different parks give us any useful information? I would like to see how different hits overall would be Shea versus Dodger, both commonly used as singles parks.

Unfortunately not really. 24 teams is still a small sample. The only way to know for sure is clarification from WIS

Agreed a test league wouldn’t give 100% clarification, but similar to how contrarian’s twisl in regards to k’s and + plays, It may not solve it 100%, but definitely adds some clarity.

I would definitely be interested in a theme like that, as long as it was put together properly. Dodger stadium in the NL, exhibition stadium in the AL, see how hits add up over the course of the season. Not concrete, but 3888 games of data is always beneficial.

Posted by redcped on 6/14/2021 4:00:00 PM (view original):
This suggests to me that my Doubles team in the 120M isn't in bad shape despite a division with 3 singles teams, two in Dodger Stadium. My overall team AVG is within 10 points of all my division opponents, and my SLG is about 50 points higher.

Definitely keep us posted, I feel like you’ll do really well in your division

Posted by chargingryno on 6/14/2021 4:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by redcped on 6/14/2021 4:00:00 PM (view original):
This suggests to me that my Doubles team in the 120M isn't in bad shape despite a division with 3 singles teams, two in Dodger Stadium. My overall team AVG is within 10 points of all my division opponents, and my SLG is about 50 points higher.

Definitely keep us posted, I feel like you’ll do really well in your division

It's also the most competitive of my divisions by average owner ranking and I went pretty low on innings for reasons I can't recall precisely. But if those parks suppress hitting a lot, I might survive.

Our first standings update will be posted after tonight's AM games

Posted by chargingryno on 6/14/2021 4:16:00 PM (view original):
Agreed a test league wouldn’t give 100% clarification, but similar to how contrarian’s twisl in regards to k’s and + plays, It may not solve it 100%, but definitely adds some clarity.

I would definitely be interested in a theme like that, as long as it was put together properly. Dodger stadium in the NL, exhibition stadium in the AL, see how hits add up over the course of the season. Not concrete, but 3888 games of data is always beneficial.

Exhibition Stadium is much different, very xbh friendly. I was thinking of a comparison of Dodger, Shea, and perhaps Network Associates... Qualcomm as a 4th, 6 of each, 1 per division?
I know many don't like an identical roster, they prefer to pick their own. Perhaps I just post some perimeters as to how they must draft, leave them to their own demise... how's about $90M cap, a team aggregate whip of 1.00 or less, a minimum of 1,250 innings to prevent fatigue spiral...

Found the dev chat quote:

https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=457843&threadID=11939920#l_11939920

Posted by just4me on 6/14/2021 5:56:00 PM (view original):
Found the dev chat quote:

https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=457843&threadID=11939920#l_11939920

That quote, plus the slides data showing where the modifiers are used is why I believe the 1B modifier for ballparks effects hits in general and follows the decision tree process linked and summarized on the previous page

Posted by DoctorKz on 6/14/2021 6:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by chargingryno on 6/14/2021 4:16:00 PM (view original):
Agreed a test league wouldn’t give 100% clarification, but similar to how contrarian’s twisl in regards to k’s and + plays, It may not solve it 100%, but definitely adds some clarity.

I would definitely be interested in a theme like that, as long as it was put together properly. Dodger stadium in the NL, exhibition stadium in the AL, see how hits add up over the course of the season. Not concrete, but 3888 games of data is always beneficial.

Exhibition Stadium is much different, very xbh friendly. I was thinking of a comparison of Dodger, Shea, and perhaps Network Associates... Qualcomm as a 4th, 6 of each, 1 per division?
I know many don't like an identical roster, they prefer to pick their own. Perhaps I just post some perimeters as to how they must draft, leave them to their own demise... how's about $90M cap, a team aggregate whip of 1.00 or less, a minimum of 1,250 innings to prevent fatigue spiral...

To test ballpark effects in a test league setup we’d need two test leagues each running the same roster. each league with two parks and setup with two of each park in each division. League one would have two parks that have different (opposite) 1B modifier, and identical XBH modifiers. League two would have same 1B modifier and different (opposite) XBH factor (pick 1, doubles or triples would be best).

Using the table linked previously, we can estimate the AVG and XBH rate in question for the hitters as a prediction towards the hypothesis by using the log5 formula with the ballpark modifiers for the hitters/pitchers chosen across the four ballparks for both theories (1B = 1B and 1B = hits).

Obviously, a little luck could swing some of the results, but over that many games we should be fairly close and see a result that gives us a solid indicator of which is correct.

Or, admin could give us both the exact effect modifier and where it falls in the tree...

Posted by DoctorKz on 6/14/2021 6:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by chargingryno on 6/14/2021 4:16:00 PM (view original):
Agreed a test league wouldn’t give 100% clarification, but similar to how contrarian’s twisl in regards to k’s and + plays, It may not solve it 100%, but definitely adds some clarity.

I would definitely be interested in a theme like that, as long as it was put together properly. Dodger stadium in the NL, exhibition stadium in the AL, see how hits add up over the course of the season. Not concrete, but 3888 games of data is always beneficial.

Exhibition Stadium is much different, very xbh friendly. I was thinking of a comparison of Dodger, Shea, and perhaps Network Associates... Qualcomm as a 4th, 6 of each, 1 per division?
I know many don't like an identical roster, they prefer to pick their own. Perhaps I just post some perimeters as to how they must draft, leave them to their own demise... how's about $90M cap, a team aggregate whip of 1.00 or less, a minimum of 1,250 innings to prevent fatigue spiral...

Exhibition is -2/1B, but + everything else. Dodger is +2/1B, and -everything else, I felt they were perfect opposites. If reasoning stands, Dodger should still have more hits than teams in exhibition. If 1B is just singles, and not hits in general, exhibition would dominate offensive stats.

Posted by just4me on 6/14/2021 6:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by DoctorKz on 6/14/2021 6:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by chargingryno on 6/14/2021 4:16:00 PM (view original):
Agreed a test league wouldn’t give 100% clarification, but similar to how contrarian’s twisl in regards to k’s and + plays, It may not solve it 100%, but definitely adds some clarity.

I would definitely be interested in a theme like that, as long as it was put together properly. Dodger stadium in the NL, exhibition stadium in the AL, see how hits add up over the course of the season. Not concrete, but 3888 games of data is always beneficial.

Exhibition Stadium is much different, very xbh friendly. I was thinking of a comparison of Dodger, Shea, and perhaps Network Associates... Qualcomm as a 4th, 6 of each, 1 per division?
I know many don't like an identical roster, they prefer to pick their own. Perhaps I just post some perimeters as to how they must draft, leave them to their own demise... how's about $90M cap, a team aggregate whip of 1.00 or less, a minimum of 1,250 innings to prevent fatigue spiral...

To test ballpark effects in a test league setup we’d need two test leagues each running the same roster. each league with two parks and setup with two of each park in each division. League one would have two parks that have different (opposite) 1B modifier, and identical XBH modifiers. League two would have same 1B modifier and different (opposite) XBH factor (pick 1, doubles or triples would be best).

Using the table linked previously, we can estimate the AVG and XBH rate in question for the hitters as a prediction towards the hypothesis by using the log5 formula with the ballpark modifiers for the hitters/pitchers chosen across the four ballparks for both theories (1B = 1B and 1B = hits).

Obviously, a little luck could swing some of the results, but over that many games we should be fairly close and see a result that gives us a solid indicator of which is correct.

Or, admin could give us both the exact effect modifier and where it falls in the tree...

Ok, I'm in...Shea and Astrodome might be a good matchup for League #2, the Dome plays well for triples. Both are zero for singles, negative for HR.

I will start a Test league discussion thread so we don't clutter this one...

5-1, 6-0, 4-2 on the first day. Not Bad.............

And there is the Day 1 self jinx, folks...

I started 7-11, threw a few raggedy arms into early starts...

My Mile High Gambit team is my only team off to a good start. They hit 13 homers in the opening series...