One of my guys was drafted #4 in NBA draft. My prestige was a B- before and after the draft. But also, it used to be that you'd see the new prestige on your "history" page even though the new/current season was not over (as in, the draft was part of new season and if there was a change you'd see it after the draft on that same current season). That didn't happen either. So I'm assuming getting a guy drafted doesn't help anymore? and why the heck not??

Houston, in Smith World if anybody wanted to go look....

You still get a boost as far as I know (just noticed one myself recently), but it’s never really been so much that it would always lift you up too much all by itself. It’s likely that Houston was at the bottom end of B- teams at the end of the season, and is “boosted” up toward the top after the draft, without showing an actual bump, because it’s incremental.

Posted by shoe3 on 6/28/2021 5:36:00 PM (view original):
You still get a boost as far as I know (just noticed one myself recently), but it’s never really been so much that it would always lift you up too much all by itself. It’s likely that Houston was at the bottom end of B- teams at the end of the season, and is “boosted” up toward the top after the draft, without showing an actual bump, because it’s incremental.

That's what I was thinking. I'm also curious about how this works when leaving a team, or joining a team. I kinda feel like the drafted player bonus goes to the incoming coach. And not the exiting coach (as it probably should), since the draft happens AFTER the jobs cycle.

When i went from D2 Virginia St to D1 Kansas (A+ baseline) with a B+ upon arrival, when the season started I was an A-. I don't see how the game would bump up my prestige in that case, other than factoring in the previous coaches players that were drafted.

On the flip side, when i just left Missouri in Crum, my last 3 seasons were F4, title, 2nd round. I was up to an A+ until after my 2nd round exit I dropped to an A-. Then the incoming coach takes over, and (no disrespect to the coach, he's a solid coach) he gets bumped up to an A. But he didn't have the success to warrant that jump. But I did have a player that was drafted #2 overall. So I assumed that created the prestige boost

Unless something changed, the prestige bump is only supposed to go to a coach who recruits the player and continues to coach him throughout his career. Not sure about a coach leaving before the draft that the player gets taken in but the new coach isn't "supposed" to reap those benefits. Again, that could have changed over time though...

That's what I always would assume. I just don't know what else could explain the situations I posted above

when a new coaches joins a job the prestige can go +/- by 1 partial grade to account for 'coach prestige' or something along those lines. this is disconnected from the draft process. perhaps that is what you saw?

Posted by gillispie on 6/29/2021 9:32:00 AM (view original):
when a new coaches joins a job the prestige can go +/- by 1 partial grade to account for 'coach prestige' or something along those lines. this is disconnected from the draft process. perhaps that is what you saw?

i have seen this too.

Posted by gillispie on 6/29/2021 9:32:00 AM (view original):
when a new coaches joins a job the prestige can go +/- by 1 partial grade to account for 'coach prestige' or something along those lines. this is disconnected from the draft process. perhaps that is what you saw?

Well yes and no. I assumed that at first. But my Missouri case changes my mind a bit as I just went F4, title, 2nd round. I was up to an A+ in there, but dropped to an A- before job change.

When the new coach took over he jumped up to A. And that's where I was nicely adding that his current resume wasn't better than mine. And by logic of the "coach prestige" you're hinting at, I would've expected him to fall to B+ rather than improve to an A. He's a good coach. But I'm just referring to the resumes at hand in that particular world

I'm also NOT complaining! Just trying to explain the situation

there is no comparison of your coaching prestige to his, or whatever, as far as i know. it is a far simpler mechanism and i'm not sure its a mechanism that totally makes sense either. but basically when a coach FIRST joins a school, and only then, sometimes the prestige of the school is bumped up or down 1 partial grade, maybe based on that coaches success compared to the prestige, but maybe based on other junk like loyalty, who knows. nobody knows how this affects prestige going forward in d1 either, i believe.

anyway just saying, i don't think the resume of the previous coach has anything to do with it. but i think if someone had watched the time, you'd know for sure. the prestige change for the new coach is instantaneous, and the draft prestige change always happens at the same time, so if someone was watching that timing, i think they'd know for sure? not sure how you could tell in retrospect though which it was.

also i think someone said the EE boost only happens if they were your EEs. i think there are 2 things there. first off, there is the prestige change for the school. i'm not sure about that one, that might happen regardless, and i kind of think it does. meaning i think a school gets the prestige bump from draft picks no matter who the coach is and whether that coach recruited the guys originally or what. but there is also a coaching resume aspect of draft picks, and that one is almost definitely dependent on the original coach being around when the player is drafted. most of the resume is based on the last 10 seasons, plus loyalty/reputation - but there is also a permanent effect from championships and draft picks, or something like that.

Posted by gillispie on 6/30/2021 1:03:00 PM (view original):
there is no comparison of your coaching prestige to his, or whatever, as far as i know. it is a far simpler mechanism and i'm not sure its a mechanism that totally makes sense either. but basically when a coach FIRST joins a school, and only then, sometimes the prestige of the school is bumped up or down 1 partial grade, maybe based on that coaches success compared to the prestige, but maybe based on other junk like loyalty, who knows. nobody knows how this affects prestige going forward in d1 either, i believe.

anyway just saying, i don't think the resume of the previous coach has anything to do with it. but i think if someone had watched the time, you'd know for sure. the prestige change for the new coach is instantaneous, and the draft prestige change always happens at the same time, so if someone was watching that timing, i think they'd know for sure? not sure how you could tell in retrospect though which it was.

also i think someone said the EE boost only happens if they were your EEs. i think there are 2 things there. first off, there is the prestige change for the school. i'm not sure about that one, that might happen regardless, and i kind of think it does. meaning i think a school gets the prestige bump from draft picks no matter who the coach is and whether that coach recruited the guys originally or what. but there is also a coaching resume aspect of draft picks, and that one is almost definitely dependent on the original coach being around when the player is drafted. most of the resume is based on the last 10 seasons, plus loyalty/reputation - but there is also a permanent effect from championships and draft picks, or something like that.

Your first paragraph..... I'm not comparing my "coaching prestige" to his. I'm actually saying the same thing you are.
Maybe I'm just not explaining it enough. What I'm saying is this.... if I'm at A- school and leave, a new coach takes over. If that coach came from a school that just won 10 championships in a row, I'd expect the A- school to move UP in prestige if a move was made. But if the coach that took over has a .325 winning percentage over the last 10 seasons and never made the post season, I wouldn't expect the A- to move up. I'd expect it to move DOWN if anything.

I don't disagree with hardly any of your comment. I just think we speak different languages in getting to the point