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Posted by neabaseball on 5/9/2012 12:32:00 PM (view original):
Anybody else tired of the same old recycled progressive league ideas but also don't want to do a league that will absolutely kill you to keep track of it be it as the commish tracking rosters or as a team owner researching available players in order to draft?

I thought I would start a thread where we can all share ideas on new progressive league concepts.  For those ideas that seem to have the legs to maybe take off....hopefully this thread will also provide a place to flesh out all the particulars.

To the Drawing Board we go.

Franchise Progressive. (Start the Clock)
- You can only use players in years they played for your franchise. Once you use them they are gone. If you had him as a rookie, used him 3 years and he got traded, you lose him here. Also, you never get him back. Even if he came back to your team later. (Rickey Henderson Rule)
- Once you start the clock (whether as a rookie or in 3rd year) you go forward from there. No past seasons can ever be used. Pick wisely. Each player will likely have a different start year but all advance 1 year at a time.
- No draft (so tanking is eliminated), No Trades (so ******** is eliminated). You only compete against others in your ability to find players in YOUR franchise.
- Once you cut someone, they are gone forever to you.
- NO IR, if you want to keep him and backfill with a below average AAA so you can retain him You get no extra players....your call.
- Would consider combining 2 franchises that started in 1969 or later.
- Start the league around 1950 to eliminate Ruth, Cobb, Walter Johnson....so one else ever was that dominate.
- One instance of player per season. So if Oakland picks McGwire initially, STL cannot use him until he ages out or is cut by OAK. Tiebreaker goes to whichever team in RL had him first.

Plenty of players...thinking 10 seasons keeps it with a sense of urgency (screw the rebuilds) and worth the investment but not a lifelong commitment.Ob

Obviously there could be holes in this but it does eliminate MUCH of the things that cause issues.

This is the first progressive i've commished. it is only 60 games into season one. i wanteed a franchise league with no draft and therefore no reason to tank. i wanted realistic, tough to figure out teams. i also wanted some flexibility in case owners get tired of their franchise. in season one all teams had a payroll between 73-74 mil.

CDF Progressive

1 This will be a Decade Franchise League starting 1950-59 to 2010-19. (Only 7 Seasons) .After 2019 we can talk about regression or quitting.

2. 1950s franchises will be chosen by 16 owners Random.Org will determine the order.

3. To maintain fairness and competitive balance there will be a very tight 74 million dollar cap. CHALLENGE- You will need to decide whether a superstar’s salary will help your team or hurt the rest of the roster. I’ve played around with all 16 franchises and believe we will all be between 73-74 mil. Some franchises will need to make painful cuts. How do you make your franchise better than the others, when you can’t outspend them?

4. Franchise rotation. At the end of each season (decade), the four last place teams and the next 4 worst teams will have the opportunity to change franchises. (Ties in W-L record will be broken by 1. Division wins, 2. Run differential 3. Random . Org. ) After the 50s decade the worst team #16 can trade his franchise for either the Mets, Astros, Angels, or new Senators). Suppose he trades the Cubs in for the Angels. Now # 15 has a choice of Mets, Astros, Cubs, or new Senators. Owners may pass and keep their franchise. Owners of the best 8 teams must keep their franchise. The commissioner will realign divisions after this trying to keep as close to tradition as possible. This will happen after each season.

5. Other Info
A. Anyone who had a WIS eligible season for your franchise may be selected. All 25 roster players must be from correct decade with correct franchise name next to players name.
B. No clones on a team, but there will be in the league.
C Stadiums must have been used by your franchise during the decade.
D No WW
E.No DH in 50s or 60s. AL owners may vote in 70s.
F. 2/2 *Average AAA IN YEAR ONE, AFTER THAT 2/2 BELOW AVERAGE/ Draft your own from your franchise any year.

One of unique progressive that I have been apart of was the page aday progressive run by frazzman a number of years ago. The premise was that in the intial draft each player would pick a day from the calender and you would draft all players that had there birthday on all days that were picked and start them at the beginning of there career then after the season 4 dates were chosen at random and you would pick your players from those dates what made it a fun league is that you built a team from all eras. Does anyone else remember this league?

Here's the Progressive Idea I am toying with...it is a Team Progressive. The opening draft is the Team and the Year... for example Toronto 1990. When the draft is completed, each squad would have 25 Exclusive teams to choose their Roster from.The catch you can only select 1 player from each team. The following years your Keepers/Drops would be the Team progressing to the following year..ie. Toronto 1991. If someone dropped a team, it would still progress but would belong to the Free Agent Pool..ie. Toronto 1991 would be available to Draft, along with all other Teams that went undrafted. We would also allow multiple versions of the same Franchises. In the initial Draft someone can choose Boston 1990 (Player 1) and (Player 2) chooses Boston 1991. The following year Player 1 would own Boston 1991 and Player 2 would own Boston 1992. Trades would be allowed, but you would be Trading a One-year Roster for another. I am thinking AAA would not be used and no need for IR. Thoughts? This came to me at 3:30 in the morning, so there may be some complications missed. Once we reached 2021 or the end of the Franchise run... the Team would go back into the Draft. If Boston 1990 was chosen in the initial draft, no one could select Boston 1991 - 2021 as a Free Agent, until that team progressed to 2021, but someone could pick up Boston 1979 as a Free Agent. Yes some kinks to work out...but the initial Draft is Key as multiple teams and franchises can be selected, thus creating the initial player/team Pool.

Would each owner select each franchise just once, or could someone draft Toronto 1990, Toronto 1996, Toronto 2005. ??

And what happens to Toronto 1990 after the first year, can someone cut one of their teams and draft Toronto 1990 during the 2nd year draft ?

Posted by Landry19 on 8/16/2021 2:23:00 PM (view original):
Would each owner select each franchise just once, or could someone draft Toronto 1990, Toronto 1996, Toronto 2005. ??

And what happens to Toronto 1990 after the first year, can someone cut one of their teams and draft Toronto 1990 during the 2nd year draft ?

Good Questions Landry

1) No...an owner can choose the same Franchise in the initial draft. Yes Owner can draft Toronto 1990, Toronto 1996 and Toronto 2005.. The next season, that owner would own Toronto 1991, Toronto 1997 and Toronto 2006

2). Toronto 1990 after the first year, no longer exists as a Free Agent Team, unless someone Drafted Toronto 1989...then they would own Toronto 1990.

In theory, Toronto 1990 would not be able to be Drafted as a Free Agent Team until one of the Drafted Teams ran it's course to 2020 or 2021. Once one of those drafted teams progressed all the way to 2020, then the full slate of the Franchise would be available to be drafted again. The only years that would be blocked, would be those of the Franchise still in use by other owners for that given year.

So if someone was to draft Boston 2020. The following year all Boston years would be available, except if other owners Drafted Boston years, then the years that progressed would not be available.


make sense?

Posted by spoonfed on 8/16/2021 3:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Landry19 on 8/16/2021 2:23:00 PM (view original):
Would each owner select each franchise just once, or could someone draft Toronto 1990, Toronto 1996, Toronto 2005. ??

And what happens to Toronto 1990 after the first year, can someone cut one of their teams and draft Toronto 1990 during the 2nd year draft ?

Good Questions Landry

1) No...an owner can choose the same Franchise in the initial draft. Yes Owner can draft Toronto 1990, Toronto 1996 and Toronto 2005.. The next season, that owner would own Toronto 1991, Toronto 1997 and Toronto 2006

2). Toronto 1990 after the first year, no longer exists as a Free Agent Team, unless someone Drafted Toronto 1989...then they would own Toronto 1990.

In theory, Toronto 1990 would not be able to be Drafted as a Free Agent Team until one of the Drafted Teams ran it's course to 2020 or 2021. Once one of those drafted teams progressed all the way to 2020, then the full slate of the Franchise would be available to be drafted again. The only years that would be blocked, would be those of the Franchise still in use by other owners for that given year.

So if someone was to draft Boston 2020. The following year all Boston years would be available, except if other owners Drafted Boston years, then the years that progressed would not be available.


make sense?

Id be interested if you put that together that seems fun

Asking for a friend............

Why is almost every progressive built around so many twists and turns? It's hard to find a progressive where you just straight up build your team without having to take in to account hoop 1, hoop 2 or hoop 3. Have simpler ideas for a league failed to draw interest?

Posted by spoonfed on 8/16/2021 3:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Landry19 on 8/16/2021 2:23:00 PM (view original):
Would each owner select each franchise just once, or could someone draft Toronto 1990, Toronto 1996, Toronto 2005. ??

And what happens to Toronto 1990 after the first year, can someone cut one of their teams and draft Toronto 1990 during the 2nd year draft ?

Good Questions Landry

1) No...an owner can choose the same Franchise in the initial draft. Yes Owner can draft Toronto 1990, Toronto 1996 and Toronto 2005.. The next season, that owner would own Toronto 1991, Toronto 1997 and Toronto 2006

2). Toronto 1990 after the first year, no longer exists as a Free Agent Team, unless someone Drafted Toronto 1989...then they would own Toronto 1990.

In theory, Toronto 1990 would not be able to be Drafted as a Free Agent Team until one of the Drafted Teams ran it's course to 2020 or 2021. Once one of those drafted teams progressed all the way to 2020, then the full slate of the Franchise would be available to be drafted again. The only years that would be blocked, would be those of the Franchise still in use by other owners for that given year.

So if someone was to draft Boston 2020. The following year all Boston years would be available, except if other owners Drafted Boston years, then the years that progressed would not be available.


make sense?

Say someone drafts Toronto 1991........... I draft Toronto 1990.............. next season I get Toronto 1991............... can I use the same player the original owner used, or are the players going to be blacklisted after each season ?

Posted by Landry19 on 8/17/2021 11:37:00 AM (view original):

Posted by spoonfed on 8/16/2021 3:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Landry19 on 8/16/2021 2:23:00 PM (view original):
Would each owner select each franchise just once, or could someone draft Toronto 1990, Toronto 1996, Toronto 2005. ??

And what happens to Toronto 1990 after the first year, can someone cut one of their teams and draft Toronto 1990 during the 2nd year draft ?

Good Questions Landry

1) No...an owner can choose the same Franchise in the initial draft. Yes Owner can draft Toronto 1990, Toronto 1996 and Toronto 2005.. The next season, that owner would own Toronto 1991, Toronto 1997 and Toronto 2006

2). Toronto 1990 after the first year, no longer exists as a Free Agent Team, unless someone Drafted Toronto 1989...then they would own Toronto 1990.

In theory, Toronto 1990 would not be able to be Drafted as a Free Agent Team until one of the Drafted Teams ran it's course to 2020 or 2021. Once one of those drafted teams progressed all the way to 2020, then the full slate of the Franchise would be available to be drafted again. The only years that would be blocked, would be those of the Franchise still in use by other owners for that given year.

So if someone was to draft Boston 2020. The following year all Boston years would be available, except if other owners Drafted Boston years, then the years that progressed would not be available.


make sense?

Say someone drafts Toronto 1991........... I draft Toronto 1990.............. next season I get Toronto 1991............... can I use the same player the original owner used, or are the players going to be blacklisted after each season ?

Yes you would be able to use the same player the original owner used. Players would not be Blacklisted.

sigblend

There are many fine traditional progressives. Some advertise for replacements here. The twist, turns, hoops have developed due to perceived problems with the traditional. Some problems as I see them:

1. One year progressives have a narrow range of replacement players in the annual drafts.
2 Sometimes good players are gone before the first round is done.
3. This makes it hard to improve bad teams.
4. This leads to owner frustration and quitting.
5. Tanking.
6. My pet peeve is off the clock draft rounds. I’ve seen 24+ hours between picks.
7. Wide salary differences between top and bottom teams.
8. In recent times lack of IP for starters.
9. Teams up through the 1939s having less then 25 rostered players.
10. I’m sure there is some I didn’t mention.

In short the twist and turns come from the commish trying to solve one or more problems, and to attract new owners.

Posted by fatguyrd on 8/17/2021 2:22:00 PM (view original):
sigblend

There are many fine traditional progressives. Some advertise for replacements here. The twist, turns, hoops have developed due to perceived problems with the traditional. Some problems as I see them:

1. One year progressives have a narrow range of replacement players in the annual drafts.
2 Sometimes good players are gone before the first round is done.
3. This makes it hard to improve bad teams.
4. This leads to owner frustration and quitting.
5. Tanking.
6. My pet peeve is off the clock draft rounds. I’ve seen 24+ hours between picks.
7. Wide salary differences between top and bottom teams.
8. In recent times lack of IP for starters.
9. Teams up through the 1939s having less then 25 rostered players.
10. I’m sure there is some I didn’t mention.

In short the twist and turns come from the commish trying to solve one or more problems, and to attract new owners.

I am not against twists and turns I was just wondering why I don't see more straightforward leagues being advertised. I think you analysis is spot on.

Posted by spoonfed on 8/17/2021 1:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Landry19 on 8/17/2021 11:37:00 AM (view original):

Posted by spoonfed on 8/16/2021 3:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Landry19 on 8/16/2021 2:23:00 PM (view original):
Would each owner select each franchise just once, or could someone draft Toronto 1990, Toronto 1996, Toronto 2005. ??

And what happens to Toronto 1990 after the first year, can someone cut one of their teams and draft Toronto 1990 during the 2nd year draft ?

Good Questions Landry

1) No...an owner can choose the same Franchise in the initial draft. Yes Owner can draft Toronto 1990, Toronto 1996 and Toronto 2005.. The next season, that owner would own Toronto 1991, Toronto 1997 and Toronto 2006

2). Toronto 1990 after the first year, no longer exists as a Free Agent Team, unless someone Drafted Toronto 1989...then they would own Toronto 1990.

In theory, Toronto 1990 would not be able to be Drafted as a Free Agent Team until one of the Drafted Teams ran it's course to 2020 or 2021. Once one of those drafted teams progressed all the way to 2020, then the full slate of the Franchise would be available to be drafted again. The only years that would be blocked, would be those of the Franchise still in use by other owners for that given year.

So if someone was to draft Boston 2020. The following year all Boston years would be available, except if other owners Drafted Boston years, then the years that progressed would not be available.


make sense?

Say someone drafts Toronto 1991........... I draft Toronto 1990.............. next season I get Toronto 1991............... can I use the same player the original owner used, or are the players going to be blacklisted after each season ?

Yes you would be able to use the same player the original owner used. Players would not be Blacklisted.

I kinda liked the idea of players being blacklisted making the drafts super important and more strategy...tedious to keep track of though but think you wouldn't constantly have to face the same deadballers