I am amazed at the number of posts which greatly or entirely dismiss the idea that anything other than D1 is important. I - and many other players - have no interest in moving to D1. I don’t need “a taste of the EE hell that awaits” me in D1. I have no plan on going there. All this discussion when we are talking about only a very few truly new coaches seems a bit disingenuous. There are some people who hop from school to school every couple of seasons. That’s a legitimate personal choice. Are we now being asked to change the game in order to actually accommodate that play choice by eliminating the negative consequences of that choice? I don’t think that kind of change would belong in a “Dynasty” league.

Keep in mind, firings are getting ramped up some - gonne be coaching moves that are not voluntary

I'm not exactly sure how D3 would be destroyed if all D3 teams were only able to recruit D3 level guys that maxed out around 650+, rather than 750-850.

I went way back to the early days of HD and one of my early D3 teams when there were 300+ human coaches at the D3 level. I only had a couple guys over 600 and still won 25 games. My recruiting class was two guys with a 435 and 443 ratings. Getting a player with a beginning 500 rating @ D2 was fairly rare.

When player potential was added some of those 440 guys ended up at 700+

Posted by oldwarrior on 8/19/2021 7:08:00 PM (view original):
I'm not exactly sure how D3 would be destroyed if all D3 teams were only able to recruit D3 level guys that maxed out around 650+, rather than 750-850.

I went way back to the early days of HD and one of my early D3 teams when there were 300+ human coaches at the D3 level. I only had a couple guys over 600 and still won 25 games. My recruiting class was two guys with a 435 and 443 ratings. Getting a player with a beginning 500 rating @ D2 was fairly rare.

When player potential was added some of those 440 guys ended up at 700+

Yep OW. I remember recruiting one guy in D3 that was 398 overall just because his core categories had high-high development in all of them. People would scoff at recruiting a sub 400 rated player now

Posted by mike1004 on 8/19/2021 4:07:00 PM (view original):
I am amazed at the number of posts which greatly or entirely dismiss the idea that anything other than D1 is important. I - and many other players - have no interest in moving to D1. I don’t need “a taste of the EE hell that awaits” me in D1. I have no plan on going there. All this discussion when we are talking about only a very few truly new coaches seems a bit disingenuous. There are some people who hop from school to school every couple of seasons. That’s a legitimate personal choice. Are we now being asked to change the game in order to actually accommodate that play choice by eliminating the negative consequences of that choice? I don’t think that kind of change would belong in a “Dynasty” league.

The subject of this topic is improving RS2 for D1 schools. I don't know what type of posts you were expecting to see here.

I don't think anyone has dismissed D2 or D3 schools. They're obviously important, but D1 has more coaches than D2 and D3 combined. It's nothing personal against D2/D3 coaches, it's just that the reality is Sportshub needs to fix D1 if they want to bring new users to this game as D1 is the main attraction.

I have no idea where you're going with your job hopping comment. How is anyone trying to accommodate that? Just curious because I didn't see any connection to that from any of the previous comments (but I also didn't read back through all of them).

Posted by georgerollin on 8/20/2021 4:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by jholthus on 8/17/2021 1:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by georgerollin on 8/17/2021 10:40:00 AM (view original):
There is no twist. They won't do anything of substance. Just a ploy to keep you all here, so you keep buying their product in hopes they change something.

I'm sorry you feel this way georgerollin. I can assure you, both as a CS rep and an active member of WIS, that the dev team does have ideas and is currently developing some of these ideas to implement in the coming months.

nothing is happening just putting lipstick on a pig

George must be a lot of fun at parties.

"George must be a lot of fun at parties."

Especially if he brings his pig.

Posted by mlitney on 8/20/2021 4:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by mike1004 on 8/19/2021 4:07:00 PM (view original):
I am amazed at the number of posts which greatly or entirely dismiss the idea that anything other than D1 is important. I - and many other players - have no interest in moving to D1. I don’t need “a taste of the EE hell that awaits” me in D1. I have no plan on going there. All this discussion when we are talking about only a very few truly new coaches seems a bit disingenuous. There are some people who hop from school to school every couple of seasons. That’s a legitimate personal choice. Are we now being asked to change the game in order to actually accommodate that play choice by eliminating the negative consequences of that choice? I don’t think that kind of change would belong in a “Dynasty” league.

The subject of this topic is improving RS2 for D1 schools. I don't know what type of posts you were expecting to see here.

I don't think anyone has dismissed D2 or D3 schools. They're obviously important, but D1 has more coaches than D2 and D3 combined. It's nothing personal against D2/D3 coaches, it's just that the reality is Sportshub needs to fix D1 if they want to bring new users to this game as D1 is the main attraction.

I have no idea where you're going with your job hopping comment. How is anyone trying to accommodate that? Just curious because I didn't see any connection to that from any of the previous comments (but I also didn't read back through all of them).

not trying to speak for mike on this, but I think what he means about the job hopping comment is that there is no penalty for the coaches who move jobs every 2-3 seasons frequently. It used to be back in the day that schools started getting turned off by the coaches that just tried to jump around to the good teams to achieve success. Now it doesn't seem like they get penalized nearly as much.

fwiw the clear solution in my eyes is slightly bump the number of recruits who sign late and make roughly 5% of all recruits (even signed guys in RS1) become diamonds in the rough and get boosts

I like cubcub idea - so long as one also does something like turn off signings for the first couple cycles of RS2 - so there is some chance to unlock and pursue guys not already unlocked - so that coaches who are fired have a shot at their new gig, so that new coaches have some shot, so that folks who get an unexpected EE have some chance at competing for replacements.

I also like lots of other ideas in this thread

Unpopular opinion...
D1 players shouldn't be able to be signed by a D3 team. Ever. Of course, I only say that because I've struck out on every effort to actually sign a D1 guy and still have viable backups when I inevitably lose him to a D1 school. If you need D1 players to dominate go to D1.

Posted by AnthonyR28 on 8/21/2021 4:43:00 PM (view original):
Unpopular opinion...
D1 players shouldn't be able to be signed by a D3 team. Ever. Of course, I only say that because I've struck out on every effort to actually sign a D1 guy and still have viable backups when I inevitably lose him to a D1 school. If you need D1 players to dominate go to D1.

D1 guys are not that difficult to sign at D3. You just have to make sure that you don't set your sights too high. Look for the guys who have some sort of flaw that will turn them off from D1 humans.

DON'T EVEN SPEND A DOLLAR ON A D1 RECRUIT during RS1. Only do AP's, scholarships and minutes/start promises. If a D1 human gets on him, back off and move on. If you can drop a schollie and unlock everything else without a D1 human showing anything more than mild interest, move on to the next guy. Your entire goal during RS1 would be to unlock as many D1's as possible.

Remember, you'll never show as higher than moderate interest during RS1.

Between RS1 and RS2, evaluate the guys you've unlocked in RS1. Pick the ones you think you have a reasonable shot at. Spend your money wisely during RS2 on those guys. Also remember, they will not sign with D3 teams until 11pm ET on the second night of RS2. So a D1 (or D2) team can still "steal" them at any time from you, even if it looks like you're leading.

Posted by fd343ny on 8/21/2021 1:02:00 PM (view original):
I like cubcub idea - so long as one also does something like turn off signings for the first couple cycles of RS2 - so there is some chance to unlock and pursue guys not already unlocked - so that coaches who are fired have a shot at their new gig, so that new coaches have some shot, so that folks who get an unexpected EE have some chance at competing for replacements.

I also like lots of other ideas in this thread

If we want to turn off signings by Late targets for the first couple of cycles that's ok. But turning off all signings would really mess things up for D2 and D3 players who put themselves in position to sign Early recruits.

I don't really see the need to make major changes to RS2. Jobs changes are rare enough that they shouldn't drive changes to the game.

The one change I would support is a dramatic increase in the chances that a player transfers if you fail to fulfill your promise. I think that would be good for the game.

I am kind of surprised that some people want random "hidden gems." It seems like the less certain parts of the game (EE and dice rolls) make people the most upset. And both of those things are actually something than can be planned for. Making a few random recruits get a lot better in RS2 seems like a bad idea.