She shot JR

Haven’t seen Bill make a public appearance in a while. Don’t forget that the last time that we heard from him he was in the hospital. Just sayin’!

Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2021 8:06:00 AM (view original):
Maybe. Sounds like you are privvy to more info than I am. But we both know that those chants had nothing to do with her actual crimes. They were chanting it because she was their political opponent. That’s wrong.

I find this to be awful selective fact wise.

As though the "Lock her up" chants would have spontaneously started without her criminal misconduct.

Were folks chanting to lock Biden up?
Were folks chanting to lock Obama up?
Both were also "their political opponent" weren't they?

https://youtu.be/0X03yd5XnmM

Yes, they have chanted to lock Biden up. It was definitely purely political.

https://www.abc10.com/video/syndication/veuer/crowd-chants-lock-him-up-at-obama-after-trump-accuses-him-of-spying-on-campaign/602-3e1d0687-6641-45a1-82c3-74fd1071a810

“Lock him up” directed at Obama.

A true conservative would be chanting “investigate and let due process play out!”

Republicans have the opportunity to truly be the party of “freedom and rights.” They need to take that opportunity. The left is constantly rearing their authoritarian head. Biden has mocked freedom and the constitution on a number of occasions, but Republicans are terrible at capitalizing on mistakes. They lose their standing when they act authoritarian.

Glenn Youngkin won because he was VERY good at capitalizing on mistakes.

He did capitalize on one mistake which was that Mcauliffe should have gone beyond his statement that CRT was not taught with won’t be part of the curriculum.
There were a lot of women who voted for him only because of that issue.

Im not saying CRT is hateful but it has gained the connotation and when the usual curriculum is taught properly and fully it is fine. The fact that racism still exists is already part of normal curriculum.
CRT is too heavy handed for kids that grow up now integrated and more color blind then ever.

Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2021 6:49:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Jetson21 on 11/8/2021 11:30:00 PM (view original):
And I agree with that also.
After full investigation charges may not have been warranted but this had such a terrible look had to be tried for the reasons you stated.

I really agree with you that the law has to be applied properly.
Somehow I am sure that most people won’t understand or accept the law.
I am sure glad that there was no racial element to this tragic mess.

A racial element was never in question by any sane person. A white guy shot 3 other white guys. I have seen articles titled things like “race is an underlying element of Rittenhouse trial.” The authors of those articles are clearly not sane people.

Only when you zoom in to the micro level, but on a larger scale, it's a white guy who brought a gun to a civil rights protest to "protect the neighborhood" or whatever and shot people. I haven't been following the trial, but I'm guessing the characterization of the protests is a pretty big influence on how someone would view his actions.

Is it the most important element? Of course not. But it's not crazy to suggest that it's an underlying element.

Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2021 6:57:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 11/8/2021 11:35:00 PM (view original):

It is very dangerous when we start trying to throw our political opponents in prison. That is clearly what is going on here. The DA either bowed to the mob or has a political vendetta. I didn't like the "lock her up" chants from the right and I don't like this after hearing the lack of evidence that the prosecutors have been able to muster.

There's a pretty big difference between chanting "Lock her up" about an active political candidate versus saying the same about a random kid who shot people (even if it was in self-defense).

There may appear to be a big difference on the surface, but when you really think about the details it’s not as wide of a gap as it appears. We have known the details of this case from the get-go. Almost all of the evidence was available publicly from the on-set. The only new evidence that has been presented in trial was a FBI video that cuts in the defenses favor.

Honestly, this is worse than screaming “lock her up.” The DA knew that he didn’t have a case. He brought charges anyway because he feared a political mob. No charges were actually brought against Hillary.

The idea of claiming that DA's and people in trial are taking actions because they "fear a political mob" is a bit unsettling when not supported. You have no idea what the DA's motivations were or what they saw.

Posted by tangplay on 11/9/2021 2:42:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2021 6:49:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Jetson21 on 11/8/2021 11:30:00 PM (view original):
And I agree with that also.
After full investigation charges may not have been warranted but this had such a terrible look had to be tried for the reasons you stated.

I really agree with you that the law has to be applied properly.
Somehow I am sure that most people won’t understand or accept the law.
I am sure glad that there was no racial element to this tragic mess.

A racial element was never in question by any sane person. A white guy shot 3 other white guys. I have seen articles titled things like “race is an underlying element of Rittenhouse trial.” The authors of those articles are clearly not sane people.

Only when you zoom in to the micro level, but on a larger scale, it's a white guy who brought a gun to a civil rights protest to "protect the neighborhood" or whatever and shot people. I haven't been following the trial, but I'm guessing the characterization of the protests is a pretty big influence on how someone would view his actions.

Is it the most important element? Of course not. But it's not crazy to suggest that it's an underlying element.

I agree with you. After all it was considered a BLM protest unless I am wrong about that and Fox and similar outlets were ramping up the looting and shooting stuff.
So there is an unprovable but not so crazy racial undertone to why the doe eyed baby faced Nelson became a frontier pioneer.

You hear people say that the culture war is something concocted by the right. That one article alone kind of proves that’s not true. The right notices these divisive statements and then left gets mad at the right for noticing.

Nah, this is bullshit. Take CRT for example. It's a critical course taught in college classes that's existed since the 70's, but some conservative activists (namely Rufo) decided to pretend that it's being taught in elementary schools all of a sudden and make it their new culture war grift. Rufo self-admits that CRT was a grift. There wasn't some escalation of CRT, it was just something that the right decided to capitalize on and make a big deal out of. Consistently you see the right take some niche culture war issue, explode it for a few months, and then ditch it when it's not politically expedient anymore.

That's why you get "critical race theory" bills that don't actually mention CRT.

Like, we actually had conservatives ranting about DR SEUSS AND MR POTATO HEAD ON THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE. Don't pretend that the left amplifies these issues. At best, some niche activist says something and the entire conservative movement makes it the core of their message for a month. That's not the left pushing culture war issues.

What does Bernie Sanders and AOC talk about? They talk mainly about economic policy. What do far-right people mainly talk about? Culture war bullshit. That's the difference.

As though the "Lock her up" chants would have spontaneously started without her criminal misconduct.

Damn bro maybe you should prove those crimes in court instead of chanting about them at a political rally

Posted by tangplay on 11/9/2021 2:52:00 PM (view original):

You hear people say that the culture war is something concocted by the right. That one article alone kind of proves that’s not true. The right notices these divisive statements and then left gets mad at the right for noticing.

Nah, this is bullshit. Take CRT for example. It's a critical course taught in college classes that's existed since the 70's, but some conservative activists (namely Rufo) decided to pretend that it's being taught in elementary schools all of a sudden and make it their new culture war grift. Rufo self-admits that CRT was a grift. There wasn't some escalation of CRT, it was just something that the right decided to capitalize on and make a big deal out of. Consistently you see the right take some niche culture war issue, explode it for a few months, and then ditch it when it's not politically expedient anymore.

That's why you get "critical race theory" bills that don't actually mention CRT.

Like, we actually had conservatives ranting about DR SEUSS AND MR POTATO HEAD ON THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE. Don't pretend that the left amplifies these issues. At best, some niche activist says something and the entire conservative movement makes it the core of their message for a month. That's not the left pushing culture war issues.

What does Bernie Sanders and AOC talk about? They talk mainly about economic policy. What do far-right people mainly talk about? Culture war bullshit. That's the difference.

The problem is that it is taught in just a few places in public schools and has found its way into state education websites in at least Virginia. I don’t know if it is any other states’ websites.

Posted by tangplay on 11/9/2021 2:53:00 PM (view original):

As though the "Lock her up" chants would have spontaneously started without her criminal misconduct.

Damn bro maybe you should prove those crimes in court instead of chanting about them at a political rally

That's the job of the criminal justice system. The one that was headed by Loretta Lynch. The same Lynch who had a very inappropriate discussion with Bill during the investigation and told Comey to "downplay" the investigation.

You can keep your head in the sand if you choose.

Posted by bruceleefan on 11/9/2021 4:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 11/9/2021 2:53:00 PM (view original):

As though the "Lock her up" chants would have spontaneously started without her criminal misconduct.

Damn bro maybe you should prove those crimes in court instead of chanting about them at a political rally

That's the job of the criminal justice system. The one that was headed by Loretta Lynch. The same Lynch who had a very inappropriate discussion with Bill during the investigation and told Comey to "downplay" the investigation.

You can keep your head in the sand if you choose.

Maybe Trump shouldn't have made locking Clinton up a campaign promise then? What happened from 2017-2020 when Trump chose the AG?