anecdotally ive had a heck of a lot more than 2 guys do a heck of a lot worse than that. granted - i still put all my mins in SH, because clearly it does not hurt you to do so. i do believe it does not help you to do so - but its harder to know that for sure, and i see no point in finding out because clearly nothing else helps, so its between 'sh helps, use it' and 'nothing matters so nothing helps and nothing hurts, literally any strategy is equally good and 100% useless' - there's just nothing to be gained by not maxing SH. so bottom line, put it all in SH.

i certainly could be wrong too, i'm only 80% sure SH minutes don't help non qualifiers. for what its worth, which isn't a ton, the CS position matches my position in this case.

i have an AE who i didnt do anything with because I read practice plan didnt matter in their ineligible year. he had 5 min in SH and has a 3.5

Yeah I’m of the opinion that practice plan doesn’t matter for ineligibles, and though I generally do put all the minutes in SH, because where else will it go? the important thing is getting the plan set for the first eligible season - and I always want to make sure I set that before the season turns over, when I can still see the baseline (HS GPA), because that’s what I want to base it on.

I think the differences we see for that first season of GPA is due to a combo of baseline, work ethic, and a little random variance.

i love this topic because its so pointless. glad to see it resurrected ;)

I had a guy who became ineligible during the season due to flunking and he continued to grow. But I guess that is a different question.

I had a player become ineligible during the season for the first time in over 100 seasons. Be careful! It can happen to anyone.

Posted by marl_karx on 11/9/2021 9:18:00 AM (view original):
I had a guy who became ineligible during the season due to flunking and he continued to grow. But I guess that is a different question.

yup, that is totally different. without question, in-season flunkies continue to practice, and you definitely don't want all SH for them.

its the ineligible recruits who don't practice. we know for sure, 0 minutes in per or 90, dude is not budging. the only question is whether SH helps. my opinion is, no, this is a forum fact based on nothing and i don't buy it. the forum fact says, put all the minutes in SH because none of the other minutes matter and the SH might help. which i agree with most of the way, because we know for sure, there is no downside to doing so. i just believe that most likely, there is also no upside, that the SH doesn't help. but again, there's no benefit if i am proved correct - there's nothing else to do with those minutes. so its just moot to start with

Posted by Baums_away on 11/9/2021 11:12:00 AM (view original):
I had a player become ineligible during the season for the first time in over 100 seasons. Be careful! It can happen to anyone.

It isn’t really related to OP, but it does kind of fit with the topic so I’m putting it here. I strongly suspect grades have been tinkered with a little again in the past few months. Specifically, I think the variance has probably been turned up, making the outcomes (grades) a bit less predictable. I think they did this a little over a year ago, too.

Jonathan Landman, for example, just came in with a 2.3 mid-term. 2.98 HS GPA, 51 WE, with 8 minutes devoted, and he’s getting plenty of floor time. That’s quite a bit out of range from what I’ve seen over all my seasons, that looks like a freshman that I would have accidentally set to 0 for some reason.

So watch yourselves out there, if you’re not getting hit yet, you probably will.

Why would you put an ineligible's practice plan minutes in anything but SH? It's the only thing that can possibly do him good.

Also agree with shoe that the practice plan variance has been tinkered with.

Posted by shoe3 on 11/13/2021 12:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Baums_away on 11/9/2021 11:12:00 AM (view original):
I had a player become ineligible during the season for the first time in over 100 seasons. Be careful! It can happen to anyone.

It isn’t really related to OP, but it does kind of fit with the topic so I’m putting it here. I strongly suspect grades have been tinkered with a little again in the past few months. Specifically, I think the variance has probably been turned up, making the outcomes (grades) a bit less predictable. I think they did this a little over a year ago, too.

Jonathan Landman, for example, just came in with a 2.3 mid-term. 2.98 HS GPA, 51 WE, with 8 minutes devoted, and he’s getting plenty of floor time. That’s quite a bit out of range from what I’ve seen over all my seasons, that looks like a freshman that I would have accidentally set to 0 for some reason.

So watch yourselves out there, if you’re not getting hit yet, you probably will.

I won’t argue for or against them having made changes but I think it’s important to include his potentials and your minutes in each category (including iq and FT). He’s only averaging about ~2 growth/game if we include the first preseason game, which commonly results in 0 total growth for a team, and that’s not great but completely relative to practice plan/potentials.

Again, not arguing, just curious about more details!

Posted by upsetcity on 11/13/2021 3:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 11/13/2021 12:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Baums_away on 11/9/2021 11:12:00 AM (view original):
I had a player become ineligible during the season for the first time in over 100 seasons. Be careful! It can happen to anyone.

It isn’t really related to OP, but it does kind of fit with the topic so I’m putting it here. I strongly suspect grades have been tinkered with a little again in the past few months. Specifically, I think the variance has probably been turned up, making the outcomes (grades) a bit less predictable. I think they did this a little over a year ago, too.

Jonathan Landman, for example, just came in with a 2.3 mid-term. 2.98 HS GPA, 51 WE, with 8 minutes devoted, and he’s getting plenty of floor time. That’s quite a bit out of range from what I’ve seen over all my seasons, that looks like a freshman that I would have accidentally set to 0 for some reason.

So watch yourselves out there, if you’re not getting hit yet, you probably will.

I won’t argue for or against them having made changes but I think it’s important to include his potentials and your minutes in each category (including iq and FT). He’s only averaging about ~2 growth/game if we include the first preseason game, which commonly results in 0 total growth for a team, and that’s not great but completely relative to practice plan/potentials.

Again, not arguing, just curious about more details!

Just to clarify, he’s not currently ineligible - he’s playing 15 minutes per game - so like I said, not really related to OP directly, I was really just tagging on to Baums_away with a related example. The only things relevant to his grades are study hall (8 minutes), WE (started at 50, now 51), and HS GPA (2.98). I guess I can post an Imgur of his whole practice plan, it’s not like it’s a state secret or anything, it just isn’t germane to the point I’m making here.