Posted by strikeout26 on 11/14/2021 8:16:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 11/13/2021 11:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 11/13/2021 3:01:00 PM (view original):
It’s more the fact that MSM has made this a racial issue just like they do with everything. It’s quite deceiving to the normal person that only reads headlines. I could link you dozens of articles that do that.

Can you link the worst offender of these articles?

And it's quite a sad state when the "normal" is only reading the headlines. The media isn't all to blame for that.

No, you can google it. The articles are all over the place.

And I wouldn’t say that it’s a “sad state”. Most people don’t care about politics or current affairs like you or I do. They just aren’t interested in it. That’s their prerogative. I’m not interested in cars. If I see an article about them, I’m probably not going to read past the headline. It’s the media’s fault for writing intentionally deceptive headlines.

I googled some stuff and I'm not really finding any headlines that would make any reasonable person believe the victims were black.

It's pretty frustrating to hear these broad claims from the right and not any substance to back it up. If it's so obvious, you should be able to point to what you're talking about.

Posted by lostnfound74 on 11/14/2021 9:58:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 11/14/2021 8:31:00 AM (view original):
Well, Bob. I guess it’s safe to assume that you haven’t actually researched the case at all beyond the articles that pop from MSM that pop up in your news feed.

Fair enough. I wouldn’t actually expect a person to sit down and watch over a week of trial as I have. I’m not normal.

But your characterization is completely wrong. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

But we love to demonize the righteous. In this case, this is not ANYONE who was looting and burning buildings. If they get shot dead in the process; so be it

^^^ classic example of the danger of glorifying Rittenhouse as a hero (not saying that strikeout is doing this, but many on the right are)

You don't want more vigilantes going out in their communities with guns during protests.

Especially now that the vast majority of the right believes (incorrectly) that most BLM protests lead to violence. This is only going to escalate things. It's a real worry.

Posted by bruceleefan on 11/14/2021 10:06:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 11/14/2021 1:42:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bruceleefan on 11/14/2021 12:44:00 AM (view original):
https://nypost-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/nypost.com/2020

https://www.tmz.com/2020/05/31/dallas-man-beaten-kicked-for-defending-storefront-with-sword/

The first video happened in Kenosha 5 days before Kyle's incident.

The second shows "protesters" stomping a business owner (from the Dallas "protests").

Ah yes, the Dallas "business owner" (never actually proven that the business in question was owned by him, I'm pretty sure it was just a bar he liked lmao) who "defended" the store by chasing around a kid with a sword... the same sword that the DAY BEFORE he bragged on Twitter could kill people, and the same guy who previously said that "aggression is extremely useful.. scare the daylights out of them and they'll surrender."

In reality what the BLM protesters did in Dallas could be characterized as self defense. You have no IDEA what was going on before, all we know is that the guy was chasing someone else around with a sword with intent to kill.

I can't watch the other video. I'm sure it's not some weak attempt to characterize the BLM protests as violent or whatever when in reality the only death caused by a BLM supporter was the one in Portland and there were many more killed by police and right wingers than by left wingers at the protests last summer.

First link is fixed.

How a mob of folks stomping and kicking an already unconscious person could be "characterized as self defense" really shows the depths which you will sink to.

and lmao? Seriously? Yeah, that was hilarious.

Honestly? If you're chasing around someone with a sword, and you previously stated that your intent was to intimidate and kill people, yeah I don't have much sympathy for you. You're seriously saying that you wouldn't defend yourself (as an unarmed person) against someone with a sword chasing others around? I'm not saying it wasn't overkill (the guy is still alive BTW and he literally was Tweeting the day after the event), but I don't blame these people for defending themselves.

Posted by bruceleefan on 11/14/2021 11:28:00 AM (view original):
"I agree completely that the Arbery case should get more attention, because that case has racial overtones. It's more important and more newsworthy than the Rittenhouse case. I've said it before and I'll say it again - the broader media atmosphere prioritizes sensationalism and attention more than they do a political bias".


The answer to this is quite simple.
There aren't "two sides" in the Arbery case.
99.9% of sane Americans believe Arbery to be a POS, so why cover that story?
It sows ZERO division.

The Rittenhouse case, on the other hand, can be manipulated and cause the minimally informed to really be at odds with each other. Especially if we cleverly use misleading headlines and video snippets.

I half agree with this.

Yes, as I stated, the media prioritiizes sensationalism and clicks over a political bias. If the prioritized a political bias, they would cover the Arbery case more because that one looks worse for Republicans.

But you're not correct that conservatives didn't disagree on the Arbery case. I've seen TONS of them (on social media, so grain of salt) defend Arbery's killers. And the Chauvin case shouldn't have been divisive either, but conservatives were up in arms about that one too.

Looks like the guys who went after Rittenhouse ALL had criminal records.

Posted by tangplay on 11/14/2021 12:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 11/14/2021 8:16:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 11/13/2021 11:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 11/13/2021 3:01:00 PM (view original):
It’s more the fact that MSM has made this a racial issue just like they do with everything. It’s quite deceiving to the normal person that only reads headlines. I could link you dozens of articles that do that.

Can you link the worst offender of these articles?

And it's quite a sad state when the "normal" is only reading the headlines. The media isn't all to blame for that.

No, you can google it. The articles are all over the place.

And I wouldn’t say that it’s a “sad state”. Most people don’t care about politics or current affairs like you or I do. They just aren’t interested in it. That’s their prerogative. I’m not interested in cars. If I see an article about them, I’m probably not going to read past the headline. It’s the media’s fault for writing intentionally deceptive headlines.

I googled some stuff and I'm not really finding any headlines that would make any reasonable person believe the victims were black.

It's pretty frustrating to hear these broad claims from the right and not any substance to back it up. If it's so obvious, you should be able to point to what you're talking about.

I never said that the media claimed the victims were black. They do like to write misleading headlines though. I have linked 3 for you. The reason that I don’t post more here is because you always want “evidence.” I would love to have the time to sit here and link everything and have the kind of debate that you’re craving. I absolutely love debating. Unfortunately, WiS doesn’t pay my bills for me.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-kenosha-jury-b1949414.html

https://newsone.com/4244312/white-vigilantism-kyle-rittenhouse-ahmaud-arbery-killers/

https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/eric-zorn/ct-column-kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-george-zimmerman-trayvon-zorn-20210204-yfcyp6cigjbc3djxtvw4pmodwu-story.html

Posted by tangplay on 11/14/2021 1:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by lostnfound74 on 11/14/2021 9:58:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 11/14/2021 8:31:00 AM (view original):
Well, Bob. I guess it’s safe to assume that you haven’t actually researched the case at all beyond the articles that pop from MSM that pop up in your news feed.

Fair enough. I wouldn’t actually expect a person to sit down and watch over a week of trial as I have. I’m not normal.

But your characterization is completely wrong. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

But we love to demonize the righteous. In this case, this is not ANYONE who was looting and burning buildings. If they get shot dead in the process; so be it

^^^ classic example of the danger of glorifying Rittenhouse as a hero (not saying that strikeout is doing this, but many on the right are)

You don't want more vigilantes going out in their communities with guns during protests.

Especially now that the vast majority of the right believes (incorrectly) that most BLM protests lead to violence. This is only going to escalate things. It's a real worry.

The statistic the left likes to cite is that 93% of protests were peaceful. Yes, by definition that is the “vast majority”. But, if my memory serves me correctly, there were something like 8000 protests across cities for “racial justice.” 560 protests that included carnage and destruction is quite a substantial amount.

i got this buddy used to push hayrolls down a hill and into town

only on halloween or fourth of july is the way he tells it

sometimes they would mow down a fence sometimes they would get all the way down to the creek

sometimes he would light em up with kerosene or gasoline to make the holiday merrier

never did he kill a man

never did he burn down a house



he can see though, that if he had, how much harsher the justice would be

The vast majority of those round bales were peaceful. Only 7% ended up causing destruction.

Posted by strikeout26 on 11/14/2021 8:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 11/14/2021 12:57:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 11/14/2021 8:16:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 11/13/2021 11:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 11/13/2021 3:01:00 PM (view original):
It’s more the fact that MSM has made this a racial issue just like they do with everything. It’s quite deceiving to the normal person that only reads headlines. I could link you dozens of articles that do that.

Can you link the worst offender of these articles?

And it's quite a sad state when the "normal" is only reading the headlines. The media isn't all to blame for that.

No, you can google it. The articles are all over the place.

And I wouldn’t say that it’s a “sad state”. Most people don’t care about politics or current affairs like you or I do. They just aren’t interested in it. That’s their prerogative. I’m not interested in cars. If I see an article about them, I’m probably not going to read past the headline. It’s the media’s fault for writing intentionally deceptive headlines.

I googled some stuff and I'm not really finding any headlines that would make any reasonable person believe the victims were black.

It's pretty frustrating to hear these broad claims from the right and not any substance to back it up. If it's so obvious, you should be able to point to what you're talking about.

I never said that the media claimed the victims were black. They do like to write misleading headlines though. I have linked 3 for you. The reason that I don’t post more here is because you always want “evidence.” I would love to have the time to sit here and link everything and have the kind of debate that you’re craving. I absolutely love debating. Unfortunately, WiS doesn’t pay my bills for me.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-kenosha-jury-b1949414.html

https://newsone.com/4244312/white-vigilantism-kyle-rittenhouse-ahmaud-arbery-killers/

https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/eric-zorn/ct-column-kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-george-zimmerman-trayvon-zorn-20210204-yfcyp6cigjbc3djxtvw4pmodwu-story.html

The first headline seems fine. The other two are a bit misleading, but they're clearly opinion pieces, not actual news articles. I hold a different standard there. And one came from "Newsone.com."

The original claim was "The MSM has made many believe that Rittenhouse killed black people." That claim has not been supported.

I do agree that the media is playing up the racial element. As I stated, they love sensationalism and playing that up gets clicks.

Posted by strikeout26 on 11/14/2021 8:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 11/14/2021 1:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by lostnfound74 on 11/14/2021 9:58:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 11/14/2021 8:31:00 AM (view original):
Well, Bob. I guess it’s safe to assume that you haven’t actually researched the case at all beyond the articles that pop from MSM that pop up in your news feed.

Fair enough. I wouldn’t actually expect a person to sit down and watch over a week of trial as I have. I’m not normal.

But your characterization is completely wrong. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

But we love to demonize the righteous. In this case, this is not ANYONE who was looting and burning buildings. If they get shot dead in the process; so be it

^^^ classic example of the danger of glorifying Rittenhouse as a hero (not saying that strikeout is doing this, but many on the right are)

You don't want more vigilantes going out in their communities with guns during protests.

Especially now that the vast majority of the right believes (incorrectly) that most BLM protests lead to violence. This is only going to escalate things. It's a real worry.

The statistic the left likes to cite is that 93% of protests were peaceful. Yes, by definition that is the “vast majority”. But, if my memory serves me correctly, there were something like 8000 protests across cities for “racial justice.” 560 protests that included carnage and destruction is quite a substantial amount.

The 560 includes protests in which any violence or property destruction took place. A substantial portion of that 7% are protests that individually were overwhelmingly peaceful but had some small violence/damage.

This was the largest protest movement in American history, during a pandemic where many are unemployed/frustrated, right after a viral video of a cop killing a black person. Obviously people are going to be upset, and it is honestly impressive that the overwhelming majority were peaceful; I would expect even more violence.

Even then, right wingers still managed to kill more people at BLM PROTESTS than BLM supporters, which is honestly impressive.

Making it seem like BLM is a violent movement as a whole is far more misleading than any characterization you've claimed the media has made.

And HE (You're buddy "Kyle") had NO business being there, and was packing a military style attack weapon (ILLEGALLY!) and following people around on the street!

He thought He was "Dirty Harry" and you MIGHT ask yourself WHY was He there?

Posted by tangplay on 11/14/2021 11:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 11/14/2021 8:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 11/14/2021 1:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by lostnfound74 on 11/14/2021 9:58:00 AM (view original):

Posted by strikeout26 on 11/14/2021 8:31:00 AM (view original):
Well, Bob. I guess it’s safe to assume that you haven’t actually researched the case at all beyond the articles that pop from MSM that pop up in your news feed.

Fair enough. I wouldn’t actually expect a person to sit down and watch over a week of trial as I have. I’m not normal.

But your characterization is completely wrong. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

But we love to demonize the righteous. In this case, this is not ANYONE who was looting and burning buildings. If they get shot dead in the process; so be it

^^^ classic example of the danger of glorifying Rittenhouse as a hero (not saying that strikeout is doing this, but many on the right are)

You don't want more vigilantes going out in their communities with guns during protests.

Especially now that the vast majority of the right believes (incorrectly) that most BLM protests lead to violence. This is only going to escalate things. It's a real worry.

The statistic the left likes to cite is that 93% of protests were peaceful. Yes, by definition that is the “vast majority”. But, if my memory serves me correctly, there were something like 8000 protests across cities for “racial justice.” 560 protests that included carnage and destruction is quite a substantial amount.

The 560 includes protests in which any violence or property destruction took place. A substantial portion of that 7% are protests that individually were overwhelmingly peaceful but had some small violence/damage.

This was the largest protest movement in American history, during a pandemic where many are unemployed/frustrated, right after a viral video of a cop killing a black person. Obviously people are going to be upset, and it is honestly impressive that the overwhelming majority were peaceful; I would expect even more violence.

Even then, right wingers still managed to kill more people at BLM PROTESTS than BLM supporters, which is honestly impressive.

Making it seem like BLM is a violent movement as a whole is far more misleading than any characterization you've claimed the media has made.

Easy there. I never said that the BLM movement was violent. I essentially said that you would be foolish to tie the Rosenbaum’s of the world to the BLM movement. A bunch of white, leftist militants saw the protests as an opportunity to do destruction. Like I said, so-called “white allies” don’t go around screaming the n-word from my understanding.

But if you’re going to make the claim that there are racial undertones with the Rittenhouse situation claiming that he was there because it was a BLM protest then you are now tying the Rosenbaum’s and other white, leftist militants to the protests and must own the damage and destruction that they cause.

Posted by laramiebob on 11/15/2021 8:11:00 AM (view original):
And HE (You're buddy "Kyle") had NO business being there, and was packing a military style attack weapon (ILLEGALLY!) and following people around on the street!

He thought He was "Dirty Harry" and you MIGHT ask yourself WHY was He there?

Why did Kyle not have a right to be there? Also, why did he not have a right to defend himself with a gun against other people ACTUALLY carrying an illegal weapon? By the way, the evidence is still fuzzy on whether he was actually carrying that gun illegally. That charge may be dropped today.

Posted by strikeout26 on 11/15/2021 8:44:00 AM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 11/15/2021 8:11:00 AM (view original):
And HE (You're buddy "Kyle") had NO business being there, and was packing a military style attack weapon (ILLEGALLY!) and following people around on the street!

He thought He was "Dirty Harry" and you MIGHT ask yourself WHY was He there?

Why did Kyle not have a right to be there? Also, why did he not have a right to defend himself with a gun against other people ACTUALLY carrying an illegal weapon? By the way, the evidence is still fuzzy on whether he was actually carrying that gun illegally. That charge may be dropped today.

Last I knew. Vigilantism (sp?) is NOT Legal.