Has anyone had a a soph or junior transfer in the last 10 seasons due to lack of playing time? All the transfers I have seen are cuts or broken promises to freshman or jucos.

Not since 3.0 launched.

Thanks, that's confirmed by multiple sources?

It's important to know for sure, especially because it opens up promises to give out to freshmen, if you know you can bench your sophomores.

Posted by cal_bears on 12/4/2021 3:41:00 PM (view original):
It's important to know for sure, especially because it opens up promises to give out to freshmen, if you know you can bench your sophomores.

i don't know if 3.0 changed to make it completely impossible, but it was nearly impossible to lose a soph/jr to grades before 3.0. based on the old info, i'd say pay those warnings no mind, bench away. perhaps now there's a 0% chance of your soph/jr following up on their playing time complaint, but if so, that's down from probably 1% or less. so while i can't answer your question, from this end, its moot.

Posted by cal_bears on 12/4/2021 3:41:00 PM (view original):
It's important to know for sure, especially because it opens up promises to give out to freshmen, if you know you can bench your sophomores.

Sophs usually only expect 6-8 minutes before you get a complaint. And Jrs is like 10 minutes. So you can easily get that in while still fulfilling multiple 25 minute promises and starts. I do it every season

I understand that. But if you have a full even roster of three a class, at least two will have difficulty meeting those minutes. But that's not my question. Say you have to promise freshmen minutes as part of recruiting and then you would have two sophomores who might only get 4 minutes. Would they stay for sure? That's what I am trying to establish for us all here.

Posted by cal_bears on 12/5/2021 2:49:00 AM (view original):
I understand that. But if you have a full even roster of three a class, at least two will have difficulty meeting those minutes. But that's not my question. Say you have to promise freshmen minutes as part of recruiting and then you would have two sophomores who might only get 4 minutes. Would they stay for sure? That's what I am trying to establish for us all here.

i think the issue is the old rate of transfer was so insanely low, that many of us who had been around for ever basically never saw them. i definitely never had one and i ignored the soph/jr PT emails the entire time i was there. i've heard of people losing them, but not in proximity to me. i don't think i've ever had a conf mate lose a transfer over promises.

so i think it is going to be rather hard for someone to confirm this one, like a single person, unless CS has confirmed there was a change in 3.0 to get rid of soph/jr transfers (or if its in the change log for 3.0). no individual has nearly the body of experience on an individual basis to be able to rule out transfers, you'd have to have a thousand players complain and none of them to leave to start having confidence there was a change. so in light of that, i would want to see the topic go around at least a few times, preferably a half dozen, without anyone having seen a single transfer in 3.0, to feel any confidence they don't exist anymore.

but like i was saying earlier - the conventional wisdom before 3.0 was to ignore those transfer emails, not to worry about getting minutes, because it was so rare to lose a transfer. conventional wisdom i am 100% on board with. between the odds and the realities on the ground, its just not a common problem. great sophs tend to need to get minutes for growth, and only the best teams are able to regularly take great juniors and have them not playing. usually the guys who don't get minutes tend to be not that great, and you can also 100% safely bench seniors. for the remaining edge cases, you just take the risk, because its so small. that's how its always been, so the additional assurance you are looking for before you leap - just not necessary.

its a perfectly good question though, and if anyone does know the answer i agree it would be nice to know!

I have been trying to get a guy to transfer as he was a sim signing when I forgot about the minimum roster size rule. He is currently a SR, has played 0 minutes in his entire career, has sent I think 2 angry emails, and dropped 1 WE.

Thanks gillespie, I do think we can a bit more of consensus. I have been doing the scout everywhere thing for several seasons now, and with the leftover money I usually have in session 2 recruiting, I often do the assistant coach scouting to see the cuts and transfers. I have not seen one transfer that was not because of a broken promise for several seasons.There used to be a handful of these sophs and jrs transfering each season before, not for broken promises but because of failed general expectations of minutes per level. It's how people would sometimes get decent SR. transfers. Those have been non-existent, in what I suspect is 3.0. I just didn't track the timeline of that. So I guess I am saying that there are a lot of other coaches that do the scout everywhere, assistant coach scouting thing, and that would be a view of all potential transfers in given worlds by multiple coaches.

interesting. what is the scout everywhere plan?

I am not sure what others call it, but it is a strategy for international players primarily. One other result of it involves what I am talking about above in the second session of recruiting....

Somewhat related, but I have a freshman with a start/25 minute promise who was in my starting lineup but was somehow set to mop-up. So he didn't play a single minute until the 8th game of the season. Wonder what's going to happen.

I talk to him earlier and he said he is transferring to Georgia Tech next season

Posted by Baums_away on 12/8/2021 12:19:00 PM (view original):
Somewhat related, but I have a freshman with a start/25 minute promise who was in my starting lineup but was somehow set to mop-up. So he didn't play a single minute until the 8th game of the season. Wonder what's going to happen.

i think there's a pretty good chance he stays actually, assuming you meet it the rest of the way