My OU team is stuck on A Prestige and I can't seem to get to A+...

Last 5 years:

125 NT (2nd Round) A-
126 NT (Sweet 16) A
127 NT (Sweet 16) A
128 NT (2nd Round) A
129 NT (Elite 8) A

What am I missing... ?

A final 4.

Im at Louisville with the same A- baseline as OU.

155- sweet 16 - A-
156 - Sweet 16 - A
157 - 1st rd- A
158- Elite 8 - A
159 - 2nd rd- A
160 - Sweet 16 - A

After season 158 i went to A+ after the draft but fell back to A after 159 season ended. Then the Draft happened and i went back to A+.
So i think a final 4 secures the A+ for a whole season.

there's not just like, one level of success you need to reach to get an a+. its just a sliding scale for prestige, each season gets scored, and the last 4 seasons combine together (along with baseline and conference prestige) to give you a single prestige score.

certainly, four elite 8s would get you that a+, and i think four s16s would have a shot even, but the rpis and records are part of the prestige score for the season so its not just about the post season. i'm not actually sure what all impacts the season's prestige score but post season and regular season are both significant contributors (record, rpi, post season, are probably the minimum list, i don't think cts and conf championships impact it)

you are clearly really close, comparing to the last time there was an a+ there, two elite 8s and two rd 2s. but the records and rpis from those seasons when it was an a+ were significantly better, that's the difference maker there.

a rule of thumb I use is more than 10 NT wins over the past 4 seasons.

Of course the prestige is weighted more towards the most recent seasons, so a 5 win NT championship game appearance in the past season, could bring up the average.

Posted by cjok1051 on 12/15/2021 2:11:00 PM (view original):
My OU team is stuck on A Prestige and I can't seem to get to A+...

Last 5 years:

125 NT (2nd Round) A-
126 NT (Sweet 16) A
127 NT (Sweet 16) A
128 NT (2nd Round) A
129 NT (Elite 8) A

What am I missing... ?

A+ should be reserved for the best of the best. Not having an A+ baseline school, those 2nd rounders can (and should) hurt your case. You'll breakthrough soon. You're close

Posted by topdogggbm on 12/15/2021 8:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cjok1051 on 12/15/2021 2:11:00 PM (view original):
My OU team is stuck on A Prestige and I can't seem to get to A+...

Last 5 years:

125 NT (2nd Round) A-
126 NT (Sweet 16) A
127 NT (Sweet 16) A
128 NT (2nd Round) A
129 NT (Elite 8) A

What am I missing... ?

A+ should be reserved for the best of the best. Not having an A+ baseline school, those 2nd rounders can (and should) hurt your case. You'll breakthrough soon. You're close

Agreed. No offense, but if this resume gets you an A+ then it’s far too easy.

On the other hand, a national championship didn't get me an A+...

Baseline prestige sucks.

Posted by Baums_away on 12/16/2021 1:07:00 AM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 12/15/2021 8:05:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cjok1051 on 12/15/2021 2:11:00 PM (view original):
My OU team is stuck on A Prestige and I can't seem to get to A+...

Last 5 years:

125 NT (2nd Round) A-
126 NT (Sweet 16) A
127 NT (Sweet 16) A
128 NT (2nd Round) A
129 NT (Elite 8) A

What am I missing... ?

A+ should be reserved for the best of the best. Not having an A+ baseline school, those 2nd rounders can (and should) hurt your case. You'll breakthrough soon. You're close

Agreed. No offense, but if this resume gets you an A+ then it’s far too easy.

it would get them an A+ if they had better RPI/record... generally speaking that NT performance is more than the minimum required for an A+ on A- baseline

on A+ baseline i think four 2nd rounds with good rpi/record is sufficient, actually

Baseline makes a BIG Difference - This is Delaware State. I feel like in a case like this, Baseline should become higher once a certain level of success has been achieved long term. It even dropped from A+ to A with a Final 4.

176	chapelhillne	26-4	8-0	16-2	2-2	16-0	11	16	75	B+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (2nd Round)
175	chapelhillne	21-9	8-2	11-5	2-2	11-5		39	50	A-	NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
174	chapelhillne	21-8	6-3	14-3	1-2	12-4	23	21	42	A	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
173	chapelhillne	32-2	11-0	14-1	7-1	15-1	3	4	21	A	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Final Four)
172	chapelhillne	28-6	7-2	14-3	7-1	14-2	4	2	2	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Final Four)
171	chapelhillne	28-5	9-1	13-3	6-1	15-1	6	7	21	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Elite 8)
170	chapelhillne	20-11	7-2	10-7	3-2	11-5		30	20	A+	NT At-large Bid NT (2nd Round)
169	chapelhillne	30-5	11-1	11-3	8-1	14-2	1	1	1	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid National Champion
168	chapelhillne	34-1	9-0	16-1	9-0	16-0	1	1	13	A	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
167	chapelhillne	28-3	9-0	15-2	4-1	15-1	6	4	12	A-	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (2nd Round)
166	chapelhillne	16-13	6-4	9-7	1-2	11-5		39	11	A	NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
165	chapelhillne	33-2	12-0	13-1	8-1	16-0	2	2	12	A	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Championship Game)
164	chapelhillne	33-1	10-0	16-0	7-1	16-0	2	3	36	A-	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Final Four)
163	chapelhillne	31-2	13-0	12-1	6-1	15-1	4	3	18	A-	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Elite 8)
162	chapelhillne	25-6	8-1	13-4	4-1	14-2	14	12	33	A	CT Champion NT (2nd Round)
161	chapelhillne	30-3	11-0	13-2	6-1	14-2	7	5	27	A	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Elite 8)
160	chapelhillne	25-6	12-1	9-4	4-1	15-1	13	15	30	A	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (2nd Round)
159	chapelhillne	32-3	8-0	15-3	9-0	15-1	1	1	6	A	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
158	chapelhillne	23-8	8-3	11-4	4-1	16-0		37	62	B+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (2nd Round)
157	chapelhillne	24-9	8-4	10-4	6-1	15-1	22	43	76	B	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Elite 8)
156	chapelhillne	29-3	9-0	15-2	5-1	15-1	17	22	82	B-	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Sweet 16)
155	chapelhillne	28-2	8-0	18-0	2-2	16-0	15	29	136	C	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)

Baseline never changing is why I despise it. I was at A after my championship (granted I had 3 first round exits preceding it) and got to A+ after the draft.

The Phelan Bonnies had 10 NT berths in the previous 115 seasons. We will have 29 in the past 45 seasons once this season is over. Are we still only worthy of a B- baseline?

In that same timeframe(45 seasons), Phelan Michigan has 1 NT berth and only 15 seasons above .500. Yet, as far as anyone knows, they still have a B baseline prestige. No offense to the coach there, but wouldn't a very "prestigious" school in actual NCAA basketball lose a little shine after 45 seasons of sub-par performance?

Posted by dillon_b12 on 12/16/2021 12:30:00 PM (view original):
On the other hand, a national championship didn't get me an A+...

Baseline prestige sucks.

Wow your Bonnies are kicking ***. Nice work

I've made an argument for years that baseline prestige should go away and all prestige should be dynamic with something like a 10-15 season range with more recent seasons having more weight in the final calculation. Too many around here would rather see a UNC for example maintain a high baseline to be tied more to real life, even if that UNC has been subpar for a long time while a lesser school as to just do more work to have the same baseline.

This is basically a fantasy game divergent from real life. Outside of the names of the schools and conferences, there should be no other connection.