Currently of the USA adult population approximately 1 out of 305 people have died from covid.
those are figures.

From Darwin to the Origins of the Universe

The Webb telescope is now 1 million miles from Earth and transmissions and discoveries will soon begin.

Oh to be living in times like this for scientific knowledge.

In addition to learning big leaps of understanding about the beginning of the universe and maybe ways to understand what there was before cosmic inflation that led to the big bang, Webb will be able to determine the habitability of exoplanets the number if which is astronomical pardon the pun.

For those who care about such things this is very very very.......very..........,,,times.

To infinity and beyond!

The revolutionary advance of Webb is the use of infrared light. It will be able to see planets so faint now around stars that they cannot be detected. It can show how the planets formed and whats in the atmosphere including if they have oceans of water and industry if in atmosphere.

In the first year it will study the 70 or so exoplanets discovered by other observatories and the detail will be so great that the planets will be able to be imagined.

Buckle up.

Posted by tangplay on 1/24/2022 5:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bruceleefan on 1/24/2022 4:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Vitamin_C on 1/24/2022 4:17:00 PM (view original):
Figures.

Let me make it easy. Just pick a number.

1) You deny the 3 prior statements were all true?
2) you think MOST unvaccinated get covid?
3) you believe there are more benefits of the vaccine?
4) you're a strong proponent of continued mandates and hate spewing?

He's definitely a proponent of hate.
He defended his hatred quite passionately.

Here's a link to the cdc page explaing the benefits:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html?s_cid=10466:should%20i%20vaccinate:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21

Here are the highlights:

Getting vaccinated against COVID-19 can lower your risk of getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19. Vaccines can also help prevent serious illness and death.

NOTICE IT SAYS "CAN LOWER" BECAUSE IT MAY NOT.

All steps have been taken to ensure that vaccines are safe and effective for people ages 5 years and older.

SO MUCH SO THAT OUR GOVERNMENT HAS GRANTED THE MANUFACTURERS EXEMPT FROM LIABILITY and PFIZER HAS ASKED TO DELAY RELEASING STUDY DATA FOR 75 YEARS.

If you already had COVID-19, you should still get a COVID-19 vaccine for added protection.

When you are up to date on COVID-19 vaccination, you can resume many activities with proper precautions (e.g., mask wearing in indoor public spaces).

IF ONE PRACTICES SOCIAL DISTANCING and MASK WEARING, THE THREAT IS MINIMIZED. DUH.

Can you link articles about the liability and pfizer blocking study data stuff? I'm willing to bet that you're misrepresenting a bit.

And I think bigotry and discrimination against the unvaccinated is not only acceptable, but probably morally good.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html

https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/12/09/fda-says-it-needs-75-years-to-release-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-data-to-the-public/

so, not Pfizer, but the FDA, (which approved the vaccine based on these studies) says it'll take that long to release all the data, cause there's so much of it, and they're already backlogged.

probably true about the backlog, but c'mon. 75 years? They were able to review it all in less than 1 year...

It is also going to take a long time to know whether covid -19 has years long or permanent significant consequences.

Knowing the track record of the vaccine makers and the quality of the scientists as well as the solid quality of the science which has been built on the shoulders of other vaccines I am not afraid of the vaccine.
Not in the least bit.

People might mistakenly think the COVID-19 vaccines will completely block infection, but the shots are mainly designed to prevent severe illness, says Louis Mansky, a virus researcher at the University of Minnesota.

What was the main purpose of the COVID vaccine, is the same way that we look at an influenza vaccine, and that is to keep one away from the most serious consequences of getting the disease. What we are speaking about there is hospitalization and obviously very severe hospitalization and in intensive care unit and also tragically, death. In that situation, the COVID vaccine has been very good at doing its job," said Dr. Jeffrey Jahre, St. Luke's University Health Network.

We have to get comfortable with fully vaccinated folks testing positive," Dr. Gupta said. "The purpose of the vaccines is not to prevent a positive test for a respiratory virus like omicron, but to keep you out of the hospital — and that's exactly what they're doing."

I wish there were a few people who care about the Webb Telescope.

I much prefer conversing with people about shared interest or shared opinions about anything or when conversation can provide new and worthwhile insight.

Posted by bruceleefan on 1/24/2022 7:58:00 PM (view original):
People might mistakenly think the COVID-19 vaccines will completely block infection, but the shots are mainly designed to prevent severe illness, says Louis Mansky, a virus researcher at the University of Minnesota.

What was the main purpose of the COVID vaccine, is the same way that we look at an influenza vaccine, and that is to keep one away from the most serious consequences of getting the disease. What we are speaking about there is hospitalization and obviously very severe hospitalization and in intensive care unit and also tragically, death. In that situation, the COVID vaccine has been very good at doing its job," said Dr. Jeffrey Jahre, St. Luke's University Health Network.

We have to get comfortable with fully vaccinated folks testing positive," Dr. Gupta said. "The purpose of the vaccines is not to prevent a positive test for a respiratory virus like omicron, but to keep you out of the hospital — and that's exactly what they're doing."

Dr. Gupta said vaccines for respiratory viruses aren't necessarily expected to prevent positive tests or mild symptoms, but instead prevent severe disease.

Note how this says that the MAIN PURPOSE of vaccines are not to prevent getting a positive test.

MAIN purpose. Not that the vaccines do not accomplish this as well.

I can cite numerous studies that found that the vaccines significantly reduced transmission of the first version of COVID. They also reduced the chances of getting Delta, although not by as much (booster did help though). It's too soon to know for sure on Omnicron.

Posted by bruceleefan on 1/24/2022 7:39:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 1/24/2022 5:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bruceleefan on 1/24/2022 4:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Vitamin_C on 1/24/2022 4:17:00 PM (view original):
Figures.

Let me make it easy. Just pick a number.

1) You deny the 3 prior statements were all true?
2) you think MOST unvaccinated get covid?
3) you believe there are more benefits of the vaccine?
4) you're a strong proponent of continued mandates and hate spewing?

He's definitely a proponent of hate.
He defended his hatred quite passionately.

Here's a link to the cdc page explaing the benefits:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html?s_cid=10466:should%20i%20vaccinate:sem.ga:p:RG:GM:gen:PTN:FY21

Here are the highlights:

Getting vaccinated against COVID-19 can lower your risk of getting and spreading the virus that causes COVID-19. Vaccines can also help prevent serious illness and death.

NOTICE IT SAYS "CAN LOWER" BECAUSE IT MAY NOT.

All steps have been taken to ensure that vaccines are safe and effective for people ages 5 years and older.

SO MUCH SO THAT OUR GOVERNMENT HAS GRANTED THE MANUFACTURERS EXEMPT FROM LIABILITY and PFIZER HAS ASKED TO DELAY RELEASING STUDY DATA FOR 75 YEARS.

If you already had COVID-19, you should still get a COVID-19 vaccine for added protection.

When you are up to date on COVID-19 vaccination, you can resume many activities with proper precautions (e.g., mask wearing in indoor public spaces).

IF ONE PRACTICES SOCIAL DISTANCING and MASK WEARING, THE THREAT IS MINIMIZED. DUH.

Can you link articles about the liability and pfizer blocking study data stuff? I'm willing to bet that you're misrepresenting a bit.

And I think bigotry and discrimination against the unvaccinated is not only acceptable, but probably morally good.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html

https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/12/09/fda-says-it-needs-75-years-to-release-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-data-to-the-public/

so, not Pfizer, but the FDA, (which approved the vaccine based on these studies) says it'll take that long to release all the data, cause there's so much of it, and they're already backlogged.

probably true about the backlog, but c'mon. 75 years? They were able to review it all in less than 1 year...

I get why the first one might be concerning, but it also makes perfect sense from a governmental standpoint, for a couple of reasons.
1. This vaccine was produced more quickly than any other vaccine in history; to incentivize its development, it makes sense to grant the manufacturers immunity
2. It reduced the price of the vaccine - manufacturers don't have to worry about lawsuits so they can sell at a lower cost

However, this would be a great building block for a conspiracy if you could prove a couple of things.
1. You have to prove that the FDA gave out emergency use and then full authorization to the vaccine despite knowing flaws
2. You would have to find examples of people being harmed by the vaccine that aren't able to sue because of this rule (and if you cite VAERS data, you can guess what my response is going to be)

The other article is pretty horrible slanted "journalism" from a blog(?), so I went digging for more.

A judge recently ordered the FOIA request to be completed and the FDA to unveil all the data, most likely by the summer. I think this is a good thing. But the FDA not wanting to release the data doesn't have to be some "we're hiding the truth" kinda thing. It's most likely that releasing so much so quickly would take up resources that they want to use on other things. Agencies fight against FOIA requests all the time, this isn't abnormal. You're underselling the work that goes into providing the goods for a FOIA request.

Here's a Reuters article:
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/paramount-importance-judge-orders-fda-hasten-release-pfizer-vaccine-docs-2022-01-07/

Tomorrow is Baseball Hall of Fame Day
for the announcement of new inductees.
Im rooting for Rolen and Helton.
I will be very very happy if Clemens and Bonds
are done ( and they will be ). I don’t think they will fare any better with an old timers committee full of guys who played before the steroid era.

I'm not under selling anything. And no misrepresenting discovered either.
75 years is a ludicrous time frame. The judge agreed. You agree with the judge.
Summer is much more palatable. I'd even be satisfied with 18 months or 2 years.
75? Please. That reeks.

Im not interested in any conspiracy theories.
I'm concerned that these companies profits are up several BILLION dollars each and our Gov't gave them a pass if anything was done below board in the name of profit.

Obviously I agree but when you say "our Gov't gave them a pass if anything was done below board in the name of profit," you're implying a conspiracy because the FDA granted full authorization to the vaccines. Again, you'd have to prove that the FDA knew something was wrong when they approved the vaccine (or that something is wrong with the vaccine in the first place).

In the case of the 75 years thing, that's not a case of private companies being greedy - if anything, the judge's ruling will likely stall other meaningful business and increase costs that go directly to the taxpayers.

Again, I agree with the judge's ruling but you WERE misrepresenting the facts by leaving out key details and lining up small bits of information to form a false narrative.

This is how conspiracy theories always work - from flat earth, to white genocide theories, to Qanon, etc.

They line up small bits of information that all seem to point in a similar direction, while removing any other context that would explain them in a non-conspiratorial manner.

There needn't be a conspiracy for some adverse long term effects revealing themselves in the coming years. Everyone could be above board and the data, so far, seems to indicate they have been.

I didn't mean to tie the 75 years to profits at all.
Did I do that? Sorry.
My point was, why would companies making billions in extra profits need shielding from financial liability? I saw your 2 answers supporting it, I just don't agree it was necessary.

The government seemed to realize that any extra money the companies could save in legal costs would reduce the price it would take to distribute the vaccine. The company doesn't *NEED* it, but they're gonna raise the price either way. I'm not the biggest fan of pharma companies either. I voted for the guy who wanted to delete 'em.

And yeah, it is theoretically possible that long-term effects of the vaccine could show up despite there being no evidence that they exist now, but how long should the FDA have waited to grant authorization? We needed the vaccine ASAP. I trust the FDA until I have a reason not to.

Besides, we already know that COVID has long term effects, and the vaccine reduces those. So I'm good with the tradeoff.