You’re absolutely right. You’re being punished for taking a rebuild recently. You also technically “left” that job according to the system, so it may be counting that against you as well, though I’m not sure. Either way, it’s way past time for this issue to be fixed. Let us opt in to auto draw from credits for auto renew, and opt in to auto bill for cc (or PayPal, or whatever) when credits are dry. And since mistakes could still happen, if a returning coach wants to come back and realizes the mistake before a job change is made, there should be a returning coach credit bump on the resume that bounces all this other absurd stuff and just gives the old coach their job back immediately.

It’s incredibly poor design when this is a way people are getting positions. No position should be lost (or gained) because of any kind of renewal problem.

Posted by shoe3 on 2/28/2022 10:04:00 AM (view original):
You’re absolutely right. You’re being punished for taking a rebuild recently. You also technically “left” that job according to the system, so it may be counting that against you as well, though I’m not sure. Either way, it’s way past time for this issue to be fixed. Let us opt in to auto draw from credits for auto renew, and opt in to auto bill for cc (or PayPal, or whatever) when credits are dry. And since mistakes could still happen, if a returning coach wants to come back and realizes the mistake before a job change is made, there should be a returning coach credit bump on the resume that bounces all this other absurd stuff and just gives the old coach their job back immediately.

It’s incredibly poor design when this is a way people are getting positions. No position should be lost (or gained) because of any kind of renewal problem.

It's truly incredible to me this hasn't been implemented. Imagine if I had to "auto-renew" Spotify every month and if I forgot I lost all of my playlists, saved music, and podcasts and other users of Spotify could take them.

Also, the term "auto-renew" is funny to me because there's nothing really automatic about it lol. You still have to manually load credits - you still have to monitor to make sure you have enough credits. Again, nothing at all like the actual automatic renewals that hundreds of websites use.

And for the record, I've never even forgotten to renew! Just baffles me how bad the system is.

There's seems to be way too much weight given to D2/D3 history when applying for D1 jobs. I'm guessing it has to do with the new job rules because new coaches really only have D2/D3 experience. If the devs want them to have a chance at some of the better D1 jobs, they'll have to give extra weight to lower division success.

Regarding the rebuild penalty, it would be awesome if you could receive more "success" by building your own team. Like in cubcub's example, he built that Yale team from scratch and took them to the E8, which is pretty amazing. That should be worth a lot more than taking over a team that is already built. But I could see how that would be hard to quantify.

This is definitely a disaster...no reason why they can't implement this rather easily -

And since mistakes could still happen, if a returning coach wants to come back and realizes the mistake before a job change is made, there should be a returning coach credit bump on the resume that bounces all this other absurd stuff and just gives the old coach their job back immediately.

Any coach that had applied should have their application removed and be notified by in game and real email that "The previous coach decided not to leave after all, this position is no longer open".

Posted by snewell12 on 2/28/2022 4:55:00 PM (view original):
This is definitely a disaster...no reason why they can't implement this rather easily -

And since mistakes could still happen, if a returning coach wants to come back and realizes the mistake before a job change is made, there should be a returning coach credit bump on the resume that bounces all this other absurd stuff and just gives the old coach their job back immediately.

Any coach that had applied should have their application removed and be notified by in game and real email that "The previous coach decided not to leave after all, this position is no longer open".

Yeah, I agree with the second part too, and I really don’t see any purpose the 4 application limit serves, either. Ditch all of that, let people apply as much as they want, but with the knowledge that if they’re applying for a spot that was just vacated, there is a good chance the previous coach may return.

There are definitely better ways to devise a coach carousel type system too, where people are signaling their intent to shop around earlier in the season, and where coaches who might be on the “hot seat” can begin looking early. Positions can also be more intelligent where programs - like recruits - have different preferences and might weigh resumes a little differently (some might put more weight on the last 4 years at any level, some may prefer overall D1 experience, some may just go on total number of postseason wins, etc, it doesn’t all have to be so binary and deterministic). But one thing is for certain, coaches should never lose lose their position because of a renewal mixup.

Posted by cubcub113 on 2/28/2022 8:24:00 AM (view original):
*obligatory, i’m extra salty because I lost my job because I forgot to turn on auto renew, not just because I lost a normal job

I’m too lazy to type it out blind, but look at this

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/CoachProfile/Default.aspx?uid=964175&wid=2

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/CoachProfile/Default.aspx?uid=818946&wid=2

A resume with a D1 title, runner up, 2x final foul, and elite 8 in the previous 10 seasons lost to a coach with FIVE SEASONS AT D1 total. And not even 10 in the world. Not to be a *****, but my resume in D1 Wooden is possibly one of the best of all time in that world. I had a 20 year streak at Illinois that ended up ranking 7th in all time D1 for all of HD on gils ranking.

In the past 10 seasons, I made the D1 Final Four more times than the other resume made the D1 tournament. The other resume has 3 D1 postseason wins total, and I had at least 3 NT wins in HALF OF MY PREVIOUS 10 seasons. Just ridiculous.

I guess if you want to maintain your resume you can’t even take a rebuild for 3 seasons (which, by the way, involved me taking Yale to an E8 in my 4th season from D-), something never reached by the other resume.

Apperently the job comparison thing looks like 100% at the previous season or something… what’s just ducking absurd is even in the last few years our resumes have been close….

His last two years were S16-2R and mine were 1R-E8. And then I have a title, RU, final four, etc. in my most recent 10 years. No hard feelings to the other coach (who does happen to be very very good at this game), and I certainly want him to keep the job. I only had it for one year so I’ll certainly find something else. But this is a bizarre case study.

This is like a speech from "Mean Girls."

That really sucks Cub. And everything Shoe recommends needs to be done, like yesterday. Really no excuse other than just not a priority for the dev team. Which doesn't make sense since its directly leading to lost revenue for them. If vets can mess it up, how many new people are getting confused by it and just quitting?

Posted by Napoli on 2/28/2022 6:33:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cubcub113 on 2/28/2022 8:24:00 AM (view original):
*obligatory, i’m extra salty because I lost my job because I forgot to turn on auto renew, not just because I lost a normal job

I’m too lazy to type it out blind, but look at this

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/CoachProfile/Default.aspx?uid=964175&wid=2

https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/CoachProfile/Default.aspx?uid=818946&wid=2

A resume with a D1 title, runner up, 2x final foul, and elite 8 in the previous 10 seasons lost to a coach with FIVE SEASONS AT D1 total. And not even 10 in the world. Not to be a *****, but my resume in D1 Wooden is possibly one of the best of all time in that world. I had a 20 year streak at Illinois that ended up ranking 7th in all time D1 for all of HD on gils ranking.

In the past 10 seasons, I made the D1 Final Four more times than the other resume made the D1 tournament. The other resume has 3 D1 postseason wins total, and I had at least 3 NT wins in HALF OF MY PREVIOUS 10 seasons. Just ridiculous.

I guess if you want to maintain your resume you can’t even take a rebuild for 3 seasons (which, by the way, involved me taking Yale to an E8 in my 4th season from D-), something never reached by the other resume.

Apperently the job comparison thing looks like 100% at the previous season or something… what’s just ducking absurd is even in the last few years our resumes have been close….

His last two years were S16-2R and mine were 1R-E8. And then I have a title, RU, final four, etc. in my most recent 10 years. No hard feelings to the other coach (who does happen to be very very good at this game), and I certainly want him to keep the job. I only had it for one year so I’ll certainly find something else. But this is a bizarre case study.

This is like a speech from "Mean Girls."

I feel cub's pain but this comment made me actually laugh out loud

I'd probably just click that auto renew and not worry about it.

Posted by Nick_Bennett on 3/1/2022 12:58:00 PM (view original):
I'd probably just click that auto renew and not worry about it.

Having to click something to make it happen kinda makes me think it’s not all that automatic to begin with…. Almost like you have to manually do it

(I get your point btw I’m just having a little fun)

Posted by A_B_G on 3/1/2022 1:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Nick_Bennett on 3/1/2022 12:58:00 PM (view original):
I'd probably just click that auto renew and not worry about it.

Having to click something to make it happen kinda makes me think it’s not all that automatic to begin with…. Almost like you have to manually do it

(I get your point btw I’m just having a little fun)

Yeah ive clicked it once in literally 4 years of playing on this website. I have never once lost my team. TBH I'm tired of the griping about this. Id probably feel much different if it happened to me but I'm a responsible coach and always check during the NT if im renewed even though i know i am already due to me clicking the button once in 2018.

Posted by Nick_Bennett on 3/1/2022 1:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by A_B_G on 3/1/2022 1:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Nick_Bennett on 3/1/2022 12:58:00 PM (view original):
I'd probably just click that auto renew and not worry about it.

Having to click something to make it happen kinda makes me think it’s not all that automatic to begin with…. Almost like you have to manually do it

(I get your point btw I’m just having a little fun)

Yeah ive clicked it once in literally 4 years of playing on this website. I have never once lost my team. TBH I'm tired of the griping about this. Id probably feel much different if it happened to me but I'm a responsible coach and always check during the NT if im renewed even though i know i am already due to me clicking the button once in 2018.

I'd probably just not check the forums and not worry about it.

Posted by A_B_G on 3/1/2022 1:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Nick_Bennett on 3/1/2022 1:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by A_B_G on 3/1/2022 1:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Nick_Bennett on 3/1/2022 12:58:00 PM (view original):
I'd probably just click that auto renew and not worry about it.

Having to click something to make it happen kinda makes me think it’s not all that automatic to begin with…. Almost like you have to manually do it

(I get your point btw I’m just having a little fun)

Yeah ive clicked it once in literally 4 years of playing on this website. I have never once lost my team. TBH I'm tired of the griping about this. Id probably feel much different if it happened to me but I'm a responsible coach and always check during the NT if im renewed even though i know i am already due to me clicking the button once in 2018.

I'd probably just not check the forums and not worry about it.

Very valid point there. Ill do that from now on. See that was easy.

Posted by Nick_Bennett on 3/1/2022 1:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by A_B_G on 3/1/2022 1:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Nick_Bennett on 3/1/2022 1:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by A_B_G on 3/1/2022 1:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Nick_Bennett on 3/1/2022 12:58:00 PM (view original):
I'd probably just click that auto renew and not worry about it.

Having to click something to make it happen kinda makes me think it’s not all that automatic to begin with…. Almost like you have to manually do it

(I get your point btw I’m just having a little fun)

Yeah ive clicked it once in literally 4 years of playing on this website. I have never once lost my team. TBH I'm tired of the griping about this. Id probably feel much different if it happened to me but I'm a responsible coach and always check during the NT if im renewed even though i know i am already due to me clicking the button once in 2018.

I'd probably just not check the forums and not worry about it.

Very valid point there. Ill do that from now on. See that was easy.

Renewals aside, the job hiring process needs to be fixed. If cub had a different job and wanted this one, he still should have been chosen. The forgetting to renew thing is irrelevant.