Posted by Nick_Bennett on 3/1/2022 1:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by A_B_G on 3/1/2022 1:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Nick_Bennett on 3/1/2022 12:58:00 PM (view original):
I'd probably just click that auto renew and not worry about it.

Having to click something to make it happen kinda makes me think it’s not all that automatic to begin with…. Almost like you have to manually do it

(I get your point btw I’m just having a little fun)

Yeah ive clicked it once in literally 4 years of playing on this website. I have never once lost my team. TBH I'm tired of the griping about this. Id probably feel much different if it happened to me but I'm a responsible coach and always check during the NT if im renewed even though i know i am already due to me clicking the button once in 2018.

Does very little when you have no seasons left and no way to auto-credit seasons. You are frustrated with all the griping because it's all to common of a problem. That in itself should tell you how inefficient and archaic the system is. Just because something works doesn't mean it can't be improved.

Posted by Basketts on 3/1/2022 4:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Nick_Bennett on 3/1/2022 1:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by A_B_G on 3/1/2022 1:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Nick_Bennett on 3/1/2022 12:58:00 PM (view original):
I'd probably just click that auto renew and not worry about it.

Having to click something to make it happen kinda makes me think it’s not all that automatic to begin with…. Almost like you have to manually do it

(I get your point btw I’m just having a little fun)

Yeah ive clicked it once in literally 4 years of playing on this website. I have never once lost my team. TBH I'm tired of the griping about this. Id probably feel much different if it happened to me but I'm a responsible coach and always check during the NT if im renewed even though i know i am already due to me clicking the button once in 2018.

Does very little when you have no seasons left and no way to auto-credit seasons. You are frustrated with all the griping because it's all to common of a problem. That in itself should tell you how inefficient and archaic the system is. Just because something works doesn't mean it can't be improved.

No way to auto-credit seasons? Just buy some and have them available, right?

Well that is a manual and not auto.

True.. But I'm not happy with any site just charging my card on demand with no interaction by me :)

Posted by hughesjr on 3/2/2022 2:02:00 PM (view original):
True.. But I'm not happy with any site just charging my card on demand with no interaction by me :)

I don’t think many would be, which is why everyone who has suggested this advises it should be opt-in, not default. Like check a box to do it, not uncheck it to get away from it.

Posted by Nick_Bennett on 3/1/2022 1:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by A_B_G on 3/1/2022 1:08:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Nick_Bennett on 3/1/2022 12:58:00 PM (view original):
I'd probably just click that auto renew and not worry about it.

Having to click something to make it happen kinda makes me think it’s not all that automatic to begin with…. Almost like you have to manually do it

(I get your point btw I’m just having a little fun)

Yeah ive clicked it once in literally 4 years of playing on this website. I have never once lost my team. TBH I'm tired of the griping about this. Id probably feel much different if it happened to me but I'm a responsible coach and always check during the NT if im renewed even though i know i am already due to me clicking the button once in 2018.

I've been on an island before, as far as everyone against me in a discussion here. So I know what it's like.

Nick_Bennett, I stand with you brother. I don't care what it's "called" (whether it's auto renew or something different). Be responsible. If not, you lose your team. And just get a different one. Not referring to THIS case, but all cases, just renew your team however needed, and we won't be having these discussions. I've clicked auto renew once as well. And never lost a team. In fact, I TRIED to drop a team in Naismith this season. And I didn't drop it because I had auto renew on and I only unclicked "renew" for the season.

The irony here..... because of that, I was able to apply and end up at Arizona, a destination job for me. The reason it was available...... the coach forgot to renew. I'm really glad he didn't hound me about getting his job back either. I respect that, and don't really wanna be apart of the "should I give him his team back or keep it" process. I respect him for that. He actually joined another team in the same conference. Shout out to that coach. I will remember that about you one day if the opportunity presents itself that I can be a nice guy back to you in some way.

I'll say loud and clear, if I somehow ever lose a team by forgetting to renew, I'll say shucks, and apply for a different one. Blame myself. The end. (But I WILL say, cub should've got the job back thru applying. That's the only real issue here. And I know he's not complaining)

I don't think anyone is against anyone here. It's just a request to make something better. We do it all the time for other aspects of this game. Just like the issues with the job process. I don't understand why the payment process should be any different. If we never asked for improvements, we'd still be on version 1.0 of this game.

Once it happens, I understand your view on not punishing the new coach for someone's mistake. I'm in the same boat. But my point is that things can be improved so we rarely get to that dilemma in the first place.

This topic is near and dear to my heart.
I had been building Penn State back in a VERY tough Big Ten with several really good coaches in it. After season 176 I had forgotten to renew. The schools had not made any hiring decisions yet, so I renewed and applied hoping to get my job back. I had a couple rough seasons (TOUGH Big Ten, very young players), but if PSU was in a lesser conference it would have been dominant. I knew PSU was coming up for some big seasons because of the recruits I landed. I knew in a couple seasons that it was going to be a Final Four team.
My profile: https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/CoachProfile/Default.aspx?uid=280556&wid=8
Their profile: https://www.whatifsports.com/hd/CoachProfile/Default.aspx?uid=413350&wid=8

Based on those coaching records, I'm sure you'd hire the more experienced coach that has won far more games. No, the AI hired the other coach, who got all the credit for, sure enough, a Final Four, and I lost credit for two NBA players. The new coach barely recruited anyone and ran the team into the ground.

Yes, it's my fault for not renewing in time, and I knew I could lose the team. That much I get and I take responsibility for it. But, the logic in taking an unproven, s***ty coach over me is what I am upset about, and I was thisclose to leaving WIS entirely.

WIS needs to fix the hiring logic so good coaches don't get screwed.

Yeah, it sucks, and it's mainly my fault for messing this up. And a wonderful coach in PostMike (I've been in a conference with him before, great guy and coach) got my job, so I certainly don't expect him to give it back. But it's crazy how quickly resumes crater if you take a single rebuild...

Posted by Basketts on 3/3/2022 12:22:00 AM (view original):
I don't think anyone is against anyone here. It's just a request to make something better. We do it all the time for other aspects of this game. Just like the issues with the job process. I don't understand why the payment process should be any different. If we never asked for improvements, we'd still be on version 1.0 of this game.

Once it happens, I understand your view on not punishing the new coach for someone's mistake. I'm in the same boat. But my point is that things can be improved so we rarely get to that dilemma in the first place.

i am against ALL of you. you bastards!

Posted by cubcub113 on 3/3/2022 9:17:00 AM (view original):
Yeah, it sucks, and it's mainly my fault for messing this up. And a wonderful coach in PostMike (I've been in a conference with him before, great guy and coach) got my job, so I certainly don't expect him to give it back. But it's crazy how quickly resumes crater if you take a single rebuild...

yeah that resume comparison sure does look like **** huh? can't say i am too surprised... it has been identified as pretty **** in the past. good example though here

Every single time one of these threads happens someone argues "be responsible and just keep it renewed". Okay, yes, thank you for that brilliant addition to the conversation.

The point is the system is bad (as evidenced by the near-weekly frequency of these threads) and fixing it to be better would be presumably very easy as nearly every website offers some sort of subscription service in the year 2022. And another thing: If you're already one of the coaches who doesn't worry about remembering to renew then how would this change your life? It wouldn't. It would just make it easier for other coaches.

And as Basketts put it I'm really not against anyone -- I just see a small fix that would save a lot of coaches a lot of headaches and am rooting for its implementation. Not holding my breath though.

see you guys at the next thread when this inevitably happens a week from now ;)

Haha at "see you guys in the next thread when this happens in a week!" Cuz you're right! It will!

But our brilliant answer of "take responsibility and renew" is no different than the lack of repeated brilliance displayed by the people that keep doing this. (NOT pointing fingers at any one coach here!). So as much as people don't like "be responsible and renew" posts, what's the point of coming here and "complaining about not renewing" posts????? Nothing! So it's just a cycle that will repeat, until either people wake up and renew on their own. Or until CS changes it. As far as the discussion aspect, if we get one comment; the other will follow, over and over again. Not a big deal!

Posted by Basketts on 3/3/2022 12:22:00 AM (view original):
I don't think anyone is against anyone here. It's just a request to make something better. We do it all the time for other aspects of this game. Just like the issues with the job process. I don't understand why the payment process should be any different. If we never asked for improvements, we'd still be on version 1.0 of this game.

Once it happens, I understand your view on not punishing the new coach for someone's mistake. I'm in the same boat. But my point is that things can be improved so we rarely get to that dilemma in the first place.

I am certainly fine with an automated charge for people who opt in. That would not be me though. I mean .. the top right corner of every team has a Renewal Status block .. it says:

Renewed for next season
Available Seasons: 9

But .. I have no issues with setting up something to help with it, if people want that.

Posted by topdogggbm on 3/3/2022 11:59:00 AM (view original):
Haha at "see you guys in the next thread when this happens in a week!" Cuz you're right! It will!

But our brilliant answer of "take responsibility and renew" is no different than the lack of repeated brilliance displayed by the people that keep doing this. (NOT pointing fingers at any one coach here!). So as much as people don't like "be responsible and renew" posts, what's the point of coming here and "complaining about not renewing" posts????? Nothing! So it's just a cycle that will repeat, until either people wake up and renew on their own. Or until CS changes it. As far as the discussion aspect, if we get one comment; the other will follow, over and over again. Not a big deal!

Well the difference is that complaining about the renewal process will hopefully create change. That's how game fixes work that aren't spotted by the dev team. If enough people come in and complain about, say, the limit of only seeing 10 considering teams in recruiting, then eventually the dev team will hear the chatter and improve for the better. Which they did.

Look, I've never missed a renewal. I know there are indicators that point to the amount of seasons left. I could easily say to people "tough luck" and move on. But what does that accomplish? When someone asks you for help, do you tell them tough luck and to figure it out on there own because that's what you did? No, you are one of the most helpful vets out there for giving advice to coaches because you want the game to be better and you want coaches to keep playing.

This isn't much different. A lot of these posts are coaches asking for help. People are losing teams. Vets with huge experience are losing teams. If they are susceptible, what about the rookie who is still trying to figure everything out and doesn't even come on the forums? Do they get discouraged and leave? That's not good for the game. Something is not efficient in this process and multiple solutions have been mentioned by Shoe and others. None of them are unique or unobtainable. None of them negatively affect the users who have this system figured out. It just gives one extra layer of protection for players.

Will there still be issues that pop up occasionally for people that don't opt-in? Probably. But at least we are one step closer to functioning like most subscription sites out there.