Crazy fatigue "rule" Topic

jmcraven74
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Appearance Fatigue first rears its ugly head AFTER playoff game 1. Here’s the ticket I submitted and the response, which I don’t think really grasped the issue very well. This guy pitched in game 162 with 100% stamina going in and coming out.
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Hi- I just started the playoffs. 1904 Kid Nichols is used in my bullpen. He pitches in relief in game 1, and he goes from 100% to 66%(67%) fatigue. He hasn't been below 100% since Feb 8, and now 1 appearance, 1.1 IP, 26 pitches apparently puts him out for the series?? It says because he's pitched in 74% of team games, but why wasn't this "appearance fatigue" showing up at the end of the regular season. He was 100% coming into the series. As far as total IP, he's thrown barely over half his real life total.
He's my top relief guy and this hit me without warning and significantly impacts my playoff prospects if he's at 66% fatigue now. He's basically unusable again in this series.
Again- my biggest issue is this coming without warning. I could have benched him at the end of the season if I'd had any indication appearance fatigue was an issue.
Can you please help with this? Or at least help me understand why fatigue was not an issue in game 162, but in game 163 he suddenly drops to 66% with an apparent very slow recovery?
jholthus

o 3 hours ago

Hello Josh,

Players have their fatigue numbers adjusted down to 95% of their regular season numbers. So with that loss in "normal" fatigue and factoring in a high usage during the regular season, this is the reason the player's fatigue took such a big hit but wasn't seen as obviously during the regular season. Players fatigue more quickly come playoffs.


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3/25/2022 5:16 PM
contrarian23
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Yes, this issue has been known and posted about before....
3/25/2022 6:10 PM
jmcraven74
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Posted by 06gsp on 3/25/2022 6:09:00 PM (view original):
https://www.whatifsports.com/forums/Posts.aspx?topicID=522923&threadID=11944950#l_11944950
Thanks 06gsp. I think your post must have happened while I was on WIS hiatus.

Man, that's a swift kick in the juevos...
3/25/2022 6:56 PM
jmcraven74
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Posted by contrarian23 on 3/25/2022 6:10:00 PM (view original):
Yes, this issue has been known and posted about before....
Thank you
3/25/2022 6:56 PM
grizzly_one
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You can't blame me for this one. Now TOC fatigue...*runs for cover*
3/25/2022 7:05 PM
crazystengel
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WIS should fix this.
3/26/2022 12:42 PM
contrarian23
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Not sure I agree. There are several things about pitching fatigue that I would like to see fixed, but it's not clear that this is one of them. Do we really want pitchers to be able to pitch in 120+ games? The absolute upper limit for a major league pitcher, based on the entire history, at least since the advent of the 60'6" distance, is about 2/3 of a team's games. And even that was really only achieved by Mike Marshall. I don't think I want the WIS fatigue model to make it easier for pitchers to do that; I'd like to see appearance fatigue kick in much faster for most pitchers. If a guy starts, especially a modern day player, I would like to see it take 3-4 games for his fatigue to recover, regardless of how much he has been used to that point. If a modern day reliever comes in and pitches to more than a batter or two, he should probably need a game of rest to recover. If he pitches 2-3 innings, he should need 2-3 games to recover. All just my opinion, of course.
3/26/2022 1:42 PM
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I'm fine with keeping it in place but there should be some sort of warning somewhere, it's pretty tough to have a guy be 100% the whole season and then all of a sudden be done for after one playoff game
3/26/2022 3:43 PM
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Exactly, it doesn't make sense that it's okay to do it all season, then suddenly in the playoffs your pitcher is dead after one inning. Some consistency would be nice.
3/26/2022 5:05 PM
ArlenWilliam
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Seems to me that a failure to inadequately explain in-game pitching fatigue is more of a problem.
4/6/2022 6:15 AM
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Suppose you let Bob Feller '46 (real life 391 innings) pitch every third game keeping his pitch count to a low enough level so that he goes no more than 6- 7 innings per start. That works out to about (6.5 inn x 54 games) 351 innings.

What kind of fatigue issues can I expect?
4/6/2022 12:18 PM
06gsp
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no fatigue issues at all
4/6/2022 12:54 PM
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Yeah I mean seems pretty obvious to keep this in place but adjust how it shows at end of season. That would **** me off immensely.
4/12/2022 8:48 AM
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I have used that version of Feller 3 times recently in different kinds of parks. 400 really good innings for $13m is a steal. He does BB a few more than I like but the OAV and HR/9 was very good....Ill bet you start to see him more as the past few years I have not seen Bob Feller used often.
4/14/2022 11:48 AM
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