Posted by mdc2276 on 4/10/2022 2:23:00 PM (view original):
Of course, I could be wrong. Odds are quite low on that. but...

Bru is so obviously not a real person ((or IS a kind of admin run account. for the purposes of this discussion, its the same thing)), and it should be painfully obvious why this is even done in the first place. An earlier comment stated they can't fathom why WIS would have an account that does this and fields teams that are woefully inept.

Is it really such a tough thing to figure out that Bru's presence allows teams to increase their win % a bit? Not to mention Bru spends cargo planes full of cash on the NBA, MLB, NFL, and NHL with essentially zero experimentation, effort, apparent fun, or variety, for years on end, with zero improvement..... Yeah... totally real guy.

With Bru-HaHa around, it's an easy win 90% of time, especially in the NBA sim.

It's an easy way to fill leagues even faster, and its an easy way to throw a few wins towards users who are not so great and are perhaps not interested in paying more money to keep playing in new leagues. With Bru around, you get a little more dopamine drip for new users who are more likely to spend more money, with the more dopamine drip they get from wins.

If you conducted a study, there would be a direct link between new user retention, and the amount of wins they get early in thier WIS "career". Obviously, you wouldn't want to, as the site admins, litter the OL with too many of these obviously fake accounts, since that would shatter the illusion of winning against real people.

I don't know if you guys don't know this, but winning is hard on WIS. Because of course it is. You are playing against people who eat sports and stats analysis for breakfast in many cases. So a few easy wins for new and bewidered p[layers who do not yet know that sosa won't hit 64 home runs when facing multiple dead ball pitchers throughoput the season, creates a slight bit more success and dopamine in the new users brain.

Bru brings in the bucks. ( to some non zero extent )

Oh and reason #7112 that Bru is not a real account in the colloquial sense being discussed here, is that he never responds to comments. Ever. This is the least compelling reason of the other 7000 reasons, because not everyone comments or replies. But when combined with everything else, it makes total sense.

Oh, Bru makes trades? Yeah, no bot or admin run account could EVER do that! No wait, that's not true at all. Nevermind.

they also use historical teams, with maybe a couple roster changes, which are of course consistent as well, with this account being a filler account.

Every single thing we know and see regarding Bru screams this conclusion, and there are precisely zero things that suggest the opposite conclusion... that Bru is a real person spending inordinate amounts of money to field historical teams with 1 - 2 meaningless roster changes, and does this over and over again for what will soon be going on decades.

HELLO BRU. WHAT IS UP MY FRIEND? HOW ARE YOU DOING ON RTHIS FINE DAY? I TOO AM A HUMAN PERSON.

Of course, I could be wrong. Odds are quite low on that.

Oh, yes, the 0-3 extra wins you might get playing bru over a non-bru team that would replace him totally explains why admin would have a bot team…

the fact bru makes changes to historical teams is a bigger indicator of a non-bot. If a bot they’d just load the historical team and submit.

Just because someone enjoys something differently than you doesn’t make them less real.

First of all, it's often more than 3 wins, and 3 wins is 3 wins, and it is spread across multiple teams getting those easy wins for a boost. Like I said that you ignored, they don't do more because the rubes would start to suspect something is amiss. That's why they stick with one, maybe occasionally two accounts like this. Bottom feeder teams in every League? A recipe for more money spent here. 100%.

This person is not a real account, and the fact that you only addressed the extra wins point is hilarious, telling, predictable, and lazy. and yes, I still say that knowing there is a 0.1% chance I'm wrong. Perhaps 0.01%.

Secondly, ask yourself, what would it take for you to even consider this as a possibly? Damn...

Thirdly, yes, plenty of people enjoy things on WIS "differently than me".

No one who is dropping endless $thousand$ worth of teams would ever play like that, for decades.
And fourth, there are all the other points I made you ignored. Nice substantive rebuttal. Obviously we disagree, but anyone who is fooled by this account just strikes me as painfully naïve and ...optimistic in the most the most bizarre way possible. Needless to say, your post did less than nothing to sway me away from my own view.

Hey Bru, how's it going guy who never responds to any comment ever in any forum or any league and who always plays the same way for years and only makes a couple lazy roster changes which is exactly what an admin account would do to fool the rubes... How's it going?

Hmmm.... where can I spend 20, 000 dollars, spread over years, to Lazily make SIM teams Lazily comprised of all historical rosters as is, minus a couple perfunctory and Lazy roster changes to that historical roster than takes me all of 30 seconds to conjure up in my single cell imagination, and a place where I can do this same thing over and over again until the end of time?

WIS?

K, cool. I'm in.

Never heard of him.

I rarely play open leagues (2-4 per year) so I can't make much of a judgement. The OL I'm playing in now he has a team named "96 Cubs"...he/she/it has 9 non 96 Cubs on the roster, but they are all Cubs.

can't imagine getting mad at this, who cares?

Bru drives a Dodge Stratus

Posted by ML_dad on 4/12/2022 2:52:00 PM (view original):
Bru drives a Dodge Stratus

don't talk to him that way......

Bru is Jim the Asian guy on The Office...he's busy, closing deals...he doesn't have time for trades, or posting pleasantries...

Posted by mensu1954 on 4/12/2022 6:48:00 PM (view original):
This doesn't bother me at all. What does frustrate me are the people that play in Coors and draft 1200-1300 IP of terrible pitching. It's their money though.

I've done that a few times and won championships, it works if you know what you're doing.

*Edit: I had somehow missed the word "terrible" when I first read. I certainly didn't draft "terrible" pitching to win at Coors, just the 1200-1300 part, sorry lol

I always felt bru was a staff member monitoring the league chats to have an inside view at what paying customers have to say about the games.

Posted by mdc2276 on 4/12/2022 10:12:00 AM (view original):
First of all, it's often more than 3 wins, and 3 wins is 3 wins, and it is spread across multiple teams getting those easy wins for a boost. Like I said that you ignored, they don't do more because the rubes would start to suspect something is amiss. That's why they stick with one, maybe occasionally two accounts like this. Bottom feeder teams in every League? A recipe for more money spent here. 100%.

This person is not a real account, and the fact that you only addressed the extra wins point is hilarious, telling, predictable, and lazy. and yes, I still say that knowing there is a 0.1% chance I'm wrong. Perhaps 0.01%.

Secondly, ask yourself, what would it take for you to even consider this as a possibly? Damn...

Thirdly, yes, plenty of people enjoy things on WIS "differently than me".

No one who is dropping endless $thousand$ worth of teams would ever play like that, for decades.
And fourth, there are all the other points I made you ignored. Nice substantive rebuttal. Obviously we disagree, but anyone who is fooled by this account just strikes me as painfully naïve and ...optimistic in the most the most bizarre way possible. Needless to say, your post did less than nothing to sway me away from my own view.

Hey Bru, how's it going guy who never responds to any comment ever in any forum or any league and who always plays the same way for years and only makes a couple lazy roster changes which is exactly what an admin account would do to fool the rubes... How's it going?

It’s pretty much 2 wins. I used 3 to be generous to your argument. Against an non-bru OL team your typical W% is .500. So you’ll win 6-7 games depending on alignment. Against bru typical W% is around .650, so 8-9 wins. 8-9 minus 6-7 = 2.

Wouldnt consider this a possibility at all. As I stated in my previous post it would go against both WIS stated competitive goals, as well as bru single-handedly disrupted their AAA removal, and WIS stated they didn’t expect, nor understand why, an owner would have that many teams waiting to go and they had to work around that to get work around to the AAA removal.

Your other points had already been addressed in this thread, didn’t feel the need to address them.

Mostly it come down to if bru were a bot it’d be bad for business. Don’t see WIS intentionally ruining trust over something so insignificant. OLs fill up fast enough a bot isn’t needed to fill them faster, especially for 1-team. They also weren’t aware of bru and it disrupted their own processes. Creating a bot for this purpose would use more development resources than fixing some of the actual issues in the pipeline.

Roster changes require effort beyond what a bot would do given the already built in roster options for the historical teams.

Bru also uses a somewhat systematic order for the historical teams, but has gone out of order with one-offs on more than one occasion.

Many people never respond to league comments. Shoot, one guy I introduced to the site years ago builds his teams, sets his settings and never looks again and just comes back when he gets the final standings email to download the csv files. Guarantee he’s never even known people were commenting to him if they did.

You ever try sitemailng bru?

bru very well may be a bot, but if so, it’s a user-generated bot and has nothing to do with WIS. Shoot, barely a year ago I put 72 identical teams into OL and CL trying to get data for my fatigued pitchers posts. I could easily see myself thinking it be fun to run a single season version of every team in history through OLs and tracking how they did.

Inspired by bru and jonjoerob, I’ve already run 2003 Mariners, 2007 Cubs, 2019 Diamondbacks and had a blast with each of them. I’ve got other fatigie related teams running right now (two appearance fatigue tests and two SP in relief tests), but I’m sure I’ll go back to other things like this again once those are done.

I just don’t grasp the “he’s a bot” conspiracy when the only thing that suggests it is “this person plays a ton of teams in a different way than most people”

The fact he does it for all 4 major sports in this game looks very suspicious...do you not at least agree its odd just4me?

Posted by 7stringplayr on 4/13/2022 5:34:00 PM (view original):
The fact he does it for all 4 major sports in this game looks very suspicious...do you not at least agree its odd just4me?

Totally looks suspicious to me, every single OLs of all 4 major sports. I don't mind at all though, the guy at least fields teams that have a slight chance of winning, with enough PAs and IPs, not like some of the past trolls who'd purposely draft as little PAs and IPs to mess up other teams, which is why they eventually came up with minimum requirements.
Tbh, can't complain when I have him in my division or league, the game is tough enough, I can always welcome easier wins, that being said, he always manages to give me a few losses.