Posted by chargingryno on 6/8/2022 12:59:00 PM (view original):
Don’t burn anyone else. Just throw your mop ups even if they’re at 0%. If you have multiple set one as starter one as setup

This is the key to get out of a death spiral. If you have two mop ups its solid, three, or two plus one other you're willing to burn, if needed, is ideal.

Mop Up One set as Starter 1 with a 170/None PC and a Pull 1
Mop Up Two set as the only reliever not on rest and put them as Setup A available in the 9th on a 170/None Pull 1.
Mop Up Three/Burn set to rest and have them as the only one on rest with the "Use in relief" box checked as available in the 9th on a 170/None Pull 1.

The first pitcher WILL get injured and the second will come in. More often than not these will be the only two that pitch and you can reset the fatigue for the rest of your pitching in just 2-3 games (unless you let it spiral for a bit, then you'll need to burn up to 6-12 games). The 3rd pitcher will be unlikely to pitch if you're only burning 2-3 games, but if you're burning 6-12, they'll probably come into 3-4 of them as the 2nd pitcher will also get injured. If you're unlucky, you'll end up burning all three in every game.

back to back 5-1 sessions with the same team losing shoot us up 20 spots.

Posted by scjensen51 on 6/3/2022 6:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by DoctorKz on 5/31/2022 7:33:00 AM (view original):
Mauch!!!

Indeed.

Once again, for the folks in the back!

Posted by 06gsp on 5/30/2022 10:12:00 AM (view original):
We could have double digit pitching fatigue death spirals in the $70M, it is wild how people completely lose their minds at caps below $80M

FYI - I predicted this after the themes were first posted. I would never include a DH at low caps.

Yes it's difficult, but having played $60M themes it can be done. Only having 5 seasons to pick from is even more of a challenge. To someone who hasn't played low caps it's probably daunting...this and the $140M seemed like the toughest of the themes.

3day's $100M Petco team has surrendered 52 runs in 30 games. Nasty...

Posted by schwarze on 6/9/2022 3:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by 06gsp on 5/30/2022 10:12:00 AM (view original):
We could have double digit pitching fatigue death spirals in the $70M, it is wild how people completely lose their minds at caps below $80M

FYI - I predicted this after the themes were first posted. I would never include a DH at low caps.

Everyone has different comfort levels. I think the issue stems from not knowing how to manage fatigue (how to escape death spirals). I used to be in the same boat until I learned from J4M during the tournament 2 years ago. His method works. It’s really easy to just see a bunch of blue/red and say “well this teams ******” and move on to the next though.

he's scored only 77 runs and is 20-10. when schwarze ran that no-hitters league I feel like most teams were scoring more than that

I have never played in a low cap league in 20 years. Have successfully avoided pitching fatigue issues but I undershot plate apprarances a bit and most of my guys are hovering around 90.

Posted by just4me on 6/8/2022 2:34:00 PM (view original):

Posted by chargingryno on 6/8/2022 12:59:00 PM (view original):
Don’t burn anyone else. Just throw your mop ups even if they’re at 0%. If you have multiple set one as starter one as setup

This is the key to get out of a death spiral. If you have two mop ups its solid, three, or two plus one other you're willing to burn, if needed, is ideal.

Mop Up One set as Starter 1 with a 170/None PC and a Pull 1
Mop Up Two set as the only reliever not on rest and put them as Setup A available in the 9th on a 170/None Pull 1.
Mop Up Three/Burn set to rest and have them as the only one on rest with the "Use in relief" box checked as available in the 9th on a 170/None Pull 1.

The first pitcher WILL get injured and the second will come in. More often than not these will be the only two that pitch and you can reset the fatigue for the rest of your pitching in just 2-3 games (unless you let it spiral for a bit, then you'll need to burn up to 6-12 games). The 3rd pitcher will be unlikely to pitch if you're only burning 2-3 games, but if you're burning 6-12, they'll probably come into 3-4 of them as the 2nd pitcher will also get injured. If you're unlucky, you'll end up burning all three in every game.

appreciate all the fatigue tips from Just4Me, DoctorKz and Ryno. Still touch-and-go in the $120M league but I may barely survive the death spiral.

Some situations require more extensive repair than others. Hang in there...

i have 3 teams a combined 0-11 in extra innings, i'm hoping that turns around sheesh

We have an absolute fatigue disaster in my 140M...Fregoe's team is 4-36, with 1374 IP, about 400 of which are modern day low-IP (and low IP/G) RPs.

Posted by contrarian23 on 6/13/2022 9:50:00 AM (view original):
We have an absolute fatigue disaster in my 140M...Fregoe's team is 4-36, with 1374 IP, about 400 of which are modern day low-IP (and low IP/G) RPs.

This is a perfect example of how much of pitching fatigue comes down to how PCs and usage is managed. I'm in the same league, have similar IP total (and even have a couple of the same pitchers), 6 of my pitchers are modern low IP and low IP/G RPs (0.87-1.11 IP/G), 5 of my other 6 pitchers are all modern starters with between 5.6-6.8 IP/G, with the last being a low IP, 6.2 IP/G SP from the early 1920s.

We're both in more extreme hitters parks (I'm in Baker Bowl, though them being in Coors doesn't help them), but my pitching line is better in both OAV and WHIP by a decent spread at this cap (.191/0.91 vs .205/0.99). Their SPs total 850 IP with 524 in the bullpen. My SPs total 914 IP with 494 in the bullpen. I could've just as easily used the 92 IP deGrom as an RP (but I like using ~80 IP SPs as a high PC starter that starts every 12 games or so to keep the rest of my pitchers fresh with my pushing their PCs in all their other starts), which would've then had me with fewer SP IP and more bullpen IP, without affecting outcomes.

It appears the fatigue started with appearance fatigue due to early-season fatigue and then snowballed out of control. Based on the constantly changing PCs of the pitchers, it looks like they're trying to manage their way out of it, but appear to mostly just be burning every pitcher to the ground.

On my side, barring a major extra inning game, I shouldn't ever have any pitchers below 97% appearing in a game for the foreseeable future unless I ask the 92 IP deGrom to pitch at 90%, which I occasionally do, and I haven't made any PC or rotational adjustments since setting my lineup initially.

I really screwed the pooch on my $100 million team, went with pitching instead of hitting, and on top of that I drafter poorly on the hitting side. They're just dreadful. I have 3 teams that would be in the playoffs today, so my hope may end up being WS victories to add 10 points