Posted by tlowster on 6/30/2022 4:53:00 PM (view original):
Likely because Adam is the one that researched all the new factors and he's been gone a while. It's likely that his .XXX factors did not get taken with the new -4 thru +4 inputs.

Also, it might not be an easy fix, but -- If Adam documented the new .XXX park factors, add them. If he didn't, remove the .XXX park factor all together and remove the .XXX park factor language from the player's guide.

Posted by tlowster on 7/1/2022 11:31:00 AM (view original):
Hypnotoad got it -- it's likely that that the +/- numbers were updated, but the three decimal park factor was not updated.

Posted by tlowster on 7/1/2022 1:52:00 PM (view original):
My opinion is just an opinion, but it's based on what i recall from previous forum posts or conversations with Admin over the last 18 months or so.

1. When the sim takes stadium factors into effect, it only looks at the +/- factor. The three digit decimal factor has no effect on outcomes. I am not certain if the three decimal park factor is based on the +/- or if the three digit decimal park factor is calculated first then the +/- is derived from that. That is something that Admin would have to confirm, but I don't care too much about it since it doesn't affect outcomes.

2. While the three digit decimal park factor does not alter outcomes in HBD, I don't think the three digit decimal park factor is just for looks. I do think it can be helpful if it's accurate, but only in unique situations. If you look at the old list and compare two completely neutral parks like Charlotte and Little Rock, one three digit decimal is .983 and the other is 1.021. So if you look at just the three decimal park factor, you could be fooled into thinking that Charlotte is a pitchers park and Little Rock is a hitter's park, but since the three decimal park factor doesn't matter, that's not the case. So the three decimal park factor doesn't help in that situation. However, where it might help an owner out is a park like Kansas City. Many folks might look at the +/- of a park like KC and think it's more of a pitcher's park because it suppresses homeruns, but when you look at the three decimal park factor, it is actually leans as more of a hitters park. So I think, in certain situations, the three decimal park factor is useful.

Posted by rbedwell on 7/2/2022 6:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tlowster on 7/1/2022 1:52:00 PM (view original):
My opinion is just an opinion, but it's based on what i recall from previous forum posts or conversations with Admin over the last 18 months or so.

1. When the sim takes stadium factors into effect, it only looks at the +/- factor. The three digit decimal factor has no effect on outcomes. I am not certain if the three decimal park factor is based on the +/- or if the three digit decimal park factor is calculated first then the +/- is derived from that. That is something that Admin would have to confirm, but I don't care too much about it since it doesn't affect outcomes.

2. While the three digit decimal park factor does not alter outcomes in HBD, I don't think the three digit decimal park factor is just for looks. I do think it can be helpful if it's accurate, but only in unique situations. If you look at the old list and compare two completely neutral parks like Charlotte and Little Rock, one three digit decimal is .983 and the other is 1.021. So if you look at just the three decimal park factor, you could be fooled into thinking that Charlotte is a pitchers park and Little Rock is a hitter's park, but since the three decimal park factor doesn't matter, that's not the case. So the three decimal park factor doesn't help in that situation. However, where it might help an owner out is a park like Kansas City. Many folks might look at the +/- of a park like KC and think it's more of a pitcher's park because it suppresses homeruns, but when you look at the three decimal park factor, it is actually leans as more of a hitters park. So I think, in certain situations, the three decimal park factor is useful.

If the park factor column is not accurate and it's only useful if it's accurate (and if it is misleading for HBD customers if it's not accurate), shouldn't it be deleted, hidden, or at the very least explained in official admin posts? Those kinds of details may be small, but taken together are important contributors to an overall well-run game.

Posted by tlowster on 7/2/2022 7:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rbedwell on 7/2/2022 6:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tlowster on 7/1/2022 1:52:00 PM (view original):
My opinion is just an opinion, but it's based on what i recall from previous forum posts or conversations with Admin over the last 18 months or so.

1. When the sim takes stadium factors into effect, it only looks at the +/- factor. The three digit decimal factor has no effect on outcomes. I am not certain if the three decimal park factor is based on the +/- or if the three digit decimal park factor is calculated first then the +/- is derived from that. That is something that Admin would have to confirm, but I don't care too much about it since it doesn't affect outcomes.

2. While the three digit decimal park factor does not alter outcomes in HBD, I don't think the three digit decimal park factor is just for looks. I do think it can be helpful if it's accurate, but only in unique situations. If you look at the old list and compare two completely neutral parks like Charlotte and Little Rock, one three digit decimal is .983 and the other is 1.021. So if you look at just the three decimal park factor, you could be fooled into thinking that Charlotte is a pitchers park and Little Rock is a hitter's park, but since the three decimal park factor doesn't matter, that's not the case. So the three decimal park factor doesn't help in that situation. However, where it might help an owner out is a park like Kansas City. Many folks might look at the +/- of a park like KC and think it's more of a pitcher's park because it suppresses homeruns, but when you look at the three decimal park factor, it is actually leans as more of a hitters park. So I think, in certain situations, the three decimal park factor is useful.

If the park factor column is not accurate and it's only useful if it's accurate (and if it is misleading for HBD customers if it's not accurate), shouldn't it be deleted, hidden, or at the very least explained in official admin posts? Those kinds of details may be small, but taken together are important contributors to an overall well-run game.

What's better?

1. "Hey there, I noticed that the three decimal park factor update may have not been updated along with the +/- during this latest stadium update. Is this going to be updated? If not, are we going to remove the three decimal park factors all together? Because if it's inaccurate, it could be misleading, especially to new HBD users."

or

2. "Hey there, your English sucks, maybe you should hire more english teachers because you misspelled a bunch of the stadium names. You guys don't seem to understand the game from your customer's perspective and thats the real problem. You don't understand that we like a variety of ballparks and not a blander list of ballparks. You have really mislead your customer's by not updating the park factors along with the +/- inputs. I mean you only had about a year since this was announced to get it right."

I think the first form of communication would be a more effective form of communication that encourages community collaboration, but as I always say, im just one man with one opinion. I could be very wrong.

• "If the park factor column is not accurate and it's only useful if it's accurate (and if it is misleading for HBD customers if it's not accurate), shouldn't it be deleted, hidden, or at the very least explained in official admin posts? Those kinds of details may be small, but taken together are important contributors to an overall well-run game."

• "If the park factor column is not accurate and it's only useful if it's accurate (and if it is misleading for HBD customers if it's not accurate), shouldn't it be deleted, hidden, or at the very least explained in official admin posts? Those kinds of details may be small, but taken together are important contributors to an overall well-run game."

Posted by Mwett on 7/2/2022 11:16:00 PM (view original):
I'm going to be checking out and joining some new leagues soon, and as part of the newly arrived process of being able to change yards from the previous owner's choice, was going for as much as possible neutral across the board. In theory, take about the middle 10-ish 1.00 parks and then look for the lowest variances of the individual parks effects, say all 0's would be best but hopeful for mostly min/max swings of +1/-1. Basically, the best of both worlds with 1.00-ish park ratings, and low variance of individual 1B/2B/3B/HR. Is someone now saying that the overall park effect rating is now not accurate, and absolutely bad on them for not changing it along the way or making us aware, if true.