Posted by lostnfound74 on 7/4/2022 7:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rsp777 on 7/3/2022 10:13:00 AM (view original):
An open letter to white evangelicals: We’re done with you.

By North Carolina Pastor John Pavlovitz

Dear White Evangelicals,

I need to tell you something: People have had it with you. They’re done. They want nothing to do with you any longer, and here’s why: They see your hypocrisy, your inconsistency, your incredibly selective mercy, and your thinly veiled supremacy.

For eight years they watched you relentlessly demonize a Black President; a man faithfully married for 26 years; a doting father and husband without a hint of moral scandal or the slightest whiff of infidelity. They watched you deny his personal faith convictions, argue his birthplace, and assail his character—all without cause or evidence.

They saw you brandish Scriptures to malign him and use the laziest of racial stereotypes in criticizing him. And through it all, White Evangelicals—you never once suggested that God placed him where he was, you never publicly offered prayers for him and his family, you never welcomed him to your Christian Universities, you never gave him the benefit of the doubt in any instance, you never spoke of offering him forgiveness or mercy, your evangelists never publicly thanked God for his leadership, your pastors never took to the pulpit to offer solidarity with him, you never made any effort to affirm his humanity or show the love of Jesus to him in any quantifiable measure.

You violently opposed him at every single turn—without offering a single ounce of the grace you claim as the heart of your faith tradition. You jettisoned Jesus as you dispensed damnation on him.

And yet you give carte blanche to a white Republican man so riddled with depravity, so littered with extramarital affairs, so unapologetically vile, with such a vast resume of moral filth—that the mind boggles.

And the change in you is unmistakable. It has been an astonishing conversion to behold: a being born again.

With him, you suddenly find religion. With him, you’re now willing to offer full absolution. With him, all is forgiven without repentance or admission. With him, you’re suddenly able to see some invisible, deeply buried heart. With him, sin has become unimportant, and compassion no longer a requirement. With him, you see only Providence.

And White Evangelicals, all those people who have had it with you—they see it all clearly. They recognize the toxic source of your inconsistency.

They see that pigmentation and party are your sole deities. They see that you aren’t interested in perpetuating the love of God or emulating the heart of Jesus. They see that you aren’t burdened to love the least, or to be agents of compassion, or to care for your Muslim, gay, African, female, or poor neighbors as yourself.

They see that all you’re really interested in doing is making a God in your own ivory image and demanding that the world bow down to it. They recognize this all about white, Republican Jesus—not dark-skinned Jesus of Nazareth.

And I know you don’t realize it, but you’re digging your own grave these days; the grave of your very faith tradition.

Your willingness to align yourself with cruelty is a costly marriage. Yes, you’ve gained a Supreme Court seat, a few months with the Presidency as a mouthpiece, and the cheap high of temporary power—but you’ve lost a whole lot more.

You’ve lost an audience with millions of wise, decent, good-hearted, faithful people with eyes to see this ugliness. You’ve lost any moral high ground or spiritual authority with a generation. You’ve lost any semblance of Christlikeness. You’ve lost the plot. And most of all you’ve lost your soul.

I know it’s likely you’ll dismiss these words. The fact that you’ve even made your bed with such malevolence, shows how far gone you are and how insulated you are from the reality in front of you. But I had to at least try to reach you. It’s what Jesus would do.

Message to this pastor:

The Love of God is not in you, and you sound more like satan, because he hates the believers.. skin color is not a factor.. he hates them all. forever bashing the church

This guy is also a RACIST

Posted by rsp777 on 7/4/2022 8:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by lostnfound74 on 7/4/2022 7:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by rsp777 on 7/3/2022 10:13:00 AM (view original):
An open letter to white evangelicals: We’re done with you.

By North Carolina Pastor John Pavlovitz

Dear White Evangelicals,

I need to tell you something: People have had it with you. They’re done. They want nothing to do with you any longer, and here’s why: They see your hypocrisy, your inconsistency, your incredibly selective mercy, and your thinly veiled supremacy.

For eight years they watched you relentlessly demonize a Black President; a man faithfully married for 26 years; a doting father and husband without a hint of moral scandal or the slightest whiff of infidelity. They watched you deny his personal faith convictions, argue his birthplace, and assail his character—all without cause or evidence.

They saw you brandish Scriptures to malign him and use the laziest of racial stereotypes in criticizing him. And through it all, White Evangelicals—you never once suggested that God placed him where he was, you never publicly offered prayers for him and his family, you never welcomed him to your Christian Universities, you never gave him the benefit of the doubt in any instance, you never spoke of offering him forgiveness or mercy, your evangelists never publicly thanked God for his leadership, your pastors never took to the pulpit to offer solidarity with him, you never made any effort to affirm his humanity or show the love of Jesus to him in any quantifiable measure.

You violently opposed him at every single turn—without offering a single ounce of the grace you claim as the heart of your faith tradition. You jettisoned Jesus as you dispensed damnation on him.

And yet you give carte blanche to a white Republican man so riddled with depravity, so littered with extramarital affairs, so unapologetically vile, with such a vast resume of moral filth—that the mind boggles.

And the change in you is unmistakable. It has been an astonishing conversion to behold: a being born again.

With him, you suddenly find religion. With him, you’re now willing to offer full absolution. With him, all is forgiven without repentance or admission. With him, you’re suddenly able to see some invisible, deeply buried heart. With him, sin has become unimportant, and compassion no longer a requirement. With him, you see only Providence.

And White Evangelicals, all those people who have had it with you—they see it all clearly. They recognize the toxic source of your inconsistency.

They see that pigmentation and party are your sole deities. They see that you aren’t interested in perpetuating the love of God or emulating the heart of Jesus. They see that you aren’t burdened to love the least, or to be agents of compassion, or to care for your Muslim, gay, African, female, or poor neighbors as yourself.

They see that all you’re really interested in doing is making a God in your own ivory image and demanding that the world bow down to it. They recognize this all about white, Republican Jesus—not dark-skinned Jesus of Nazareth.

And I know you don’t realize it, but you’re digging your own grave these days; the grave of your very faith tradition.

Your willingness to align yourself with cruelty is a costly marriage. Yes, you’ve gained a Supreme Court seat, a few months with the Presidency as a mouthpiece, and the cheap high of temporary power—but you’ve lost a whole lot more.

You’ve lost an audience with millions of wise, decent, good-hearted, faithful people with eyes to see this ugliness. You’ve lost any moral high ground or spiritual authority with a generation. You’ve lost any semblance of Christlikeness. You’ve lost the plot. And most of all you’ve lost your soul.

I know it’s likely you’ll dismiss these words. The fact that you’ve even made your bed with such malevolence, shows how far gone you are and how insulated you are from the reality in front of you. But I had to at least try to reach you. It’s what Jesus would do.

Message to this pastor:

The Love of God is not in you, and you sound more like satan, because he hates the believers.. skin color is not a factor.. he hates them all. forever bashing the church

This guy is also a RACIST

He already responded to you...

"I know it’s likely you’ll dismiss these words. The fact that you’ve even made your bed with such malevolence, shows how far gone you are and how insulated you are from the reality in front of you. But I had to at least try to reach you. It’s what Jesus would do."

Posted by lostnfound74 on 7/4/2022 8:07:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 7/4/2022 7:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by lostnfound74 on 7/4/2022 6:50:00 PM (view original):

Posted by wylie715 on 7/2/2022 7:37:00 PM (view original):
and speaking of stupid and unnecessary things to say that covers most of the stuff you post.

You guys, please try to be at peace with one another. You can do this.. we need to try to stay close to the topic

Don't tell me what I need to do. Since I am going to hell anyway I may as well do what I want to do. You can only tell me what you think I need to do. I don't put much credence in what you think I should do.

Man do you ever love to fight. What a waste of space. What happened to you today? Stocks take a dive? Wife leave you? what?? This is you: Don't tell ME what to do!! I am too big for that

You need to grow up

and I don't care WHAT you do. So call me unloving.

maybe you are restless within. You mention hell more than once in a while

Posted by Mwett on 7/4/2022 11:19:00 PM (view original):
Back to our regularly scheduled programming. This guy needs to pay someone to lay on their couch 24/7 for a year straight telling his tale of troubles that it's always the other person, never him, and how can it ever be him when he's always right.

I won't be back. Wasn't ever really here.

You are blocking the author of this post, Jetson21.

Posted by Jetson21 on 7/2/2022 5:16:00 PM (view original):
Matthew 15:25-28

I will get to this one.
It is so interesting to me. Whether this happened or did not happen it shows the background of much of the jewish community and their worry of assimilation and need to have a messiah that was for them - exclusively.

By the way, messiah was a construct that only started in the jewish community in the 150 years prior to Jesus. The messiah was to be an invincible military commander - not superman but an ordinary man with such leadership that he would free them from their servitude and oppression.

The idea of a man/god had its roots in the roman/greek religions.
It came about partly to console and to give a reason for Jesus’ failure to liberate the jews by his cult of followers. He was certainly not a leader of all of the jews. He was followed by his group who called him rabbi and did not think he was a deity until sometime after he died and only a few people allegedly were witness to his revival.


The other part in the development of the myth was to give the romans what they wanted - a new god/man which had always been their tradition.
At first they balked because of the rules of kosher and a few others. They were happy when Paul told them they did not have to follow it.

Jesus filled their religious void as the first gods were no longer being followed and they needed something new.

Tomorrow i’ll write about that passage from Matthew.

BTW - the gospels are out of order Almost every scholar believes that Mark was the first written about 30 years after the death of Jesus and Matthew was second.

Posted by Jetson21 on 7/5/2022 10:31:00 AM (view original):
Final Words

Mark and Matthew - My God, my God - Why have you forsaken me.

Luke gospel number 3 : in a loud voice ( rather difficult because he could hardly breathe ) Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit. Just before that, Father, forgive them, they know not what they do.

John - last gospel and written about 25 years after Mark. He says that he thirsts..he is given a beverage.
Then he says - It is finished. Then he bows his head and dies.

3 very different sets of words at the end.

1. It is finished MEANS.. The debt for the sin of mankind has been paid in FULL (with his shed blood)
2. He reconciled Man to God aka redeemed us.. 'US' meaning all who will believe on him as per John 3:16

Posted by lostnfound74 on 7/5/2022 11:14:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Jetson21 on 7/5/2022 10:31:00 AM (view original):
Final Words

Mark and Matthew - My God, my God - Why have you forsaken me.

Luke gospel number 3 : in a loud voice ( rather difficult because he could hardly breathe ) Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit. Just before that, Father, forgive them, they know not what they do.

John - last gospel and written about 25 years after Mark. He says that he thirsts..he is given a beverage.
Then he says - It is finished. Then he bows his head and dies.

3 very different sets of words at the end.

I will answer the questions:

1. It is finished MEANS.. The debt for the sin of mankind has been paid in FULL (with his shed blood)
2. He reconciled Man to God aka redeemed us.. 'US' meaning all who will believe on him as per John 3:16

Posted by lostnfound74 on 7/5/2022 3:09:00 PM (view original):
I thought this thread could grow into something. I was wrong.

I am done with this .. in 15 years, I have yet to see anyone come to a saving faith on chat media, especially difficult when in a room full of know it alls

It is easier to load marbles with a pitchfork. So I quit.. at least here.

Posted by lostnfound74 on 7/5/2022 3:09:00 PM (view original):
I thought this thread could grow into something. I was wrong.

I am done with this .. in 15 years, I have yet to see anyone come to a saving faith on chat media, especially difficult when in a room full of know it alls

It is easier to load marbles with a pitchfork. So I quit.. at least here.