Posted by Mwett on 7/15/2022 5:07:00 PM (view original):
Hi I'm dino watch me pout and put words in ppls mouth cuz I'm 12 and that's how I roll :

Quote post by Jetson21 on 7/15/2022 4:38:00 PM: and calling me a dirty jew

Not even close in actuality or intent or sentiment. But it's what you wanted to see and I resent the insinuation. You've been run outta here multiple times for less. Don't think it can't happen again.

“ be a jew”
and you have said over and over that I am going to hell.
You dare speak for Jesus and God?

You are the exact evil that you project upon others.
I actually live a moral and ethical and loving life with and give the shirt off my back to helping people,
being very generous to my friends and respecting people and having friends of every race and religion and sexual orientation and identity.
My favorite charity is Saint Jude’s Hospital started by Danny Thomas.

Except when I am protecting myself from your instigating personal attacks and threats that I will go to hell i never think about religion.
Sometines I think about God.

The real Jesus would vomit if he found out that some christians think that Jews and others are going to hell because they don’t think he is the son of God either by God sperm or adoption.
He would be sickened by someone like you.

You sure do make me want to puke.
I am related to Jesus btw - you - not so much.

Posted by Mwett on 7/15/2022 5:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Jetson21 on 7/15/2022 5:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Mwett on 7/15/2022 4:51:00 PM (view original):
He had no reason to be upset with you. All he saw was red in a non existent race issue. You were under no obligation to defend him, specially when previously siding with him over me to begin with and isn't it odd that originally I choose to challenge you and that's when he turned all 12-year old temper tantrum. He's a tool. Everyone knows it. You'll get used to it.

Addendum : wow that didn't take long. Brucelee, see what I/we have to deal with ?!

You are a jew hater incarnate. That’s what I deal with from you. In the middle ages you would have tried to kill me with a sword. Now you are very satisfied if my soul gets killed. You spew it and I review it.
I think you have erotic thoughts about Jesus
and you spew hate thinking you are entitled to and blame me for having the gall to defend myself myself and my people.

I lump in everyone else that reads these posts and says nothing.

You are a thoroughly bad guy and a probably an aesexual eunich.
If you transgendered you can become a nun.

There is no doubt that the vast majority of the 10 or so people who post around here have some degree of antisemitism.

I was intelligent enough to not be brainwashed or influenced at any time in my life. Even when you were being groomed by dad to believe in santa claus.
How is dad. Has he seen any UFOs lately or voted for Barry Manilow for a grammy.

Can you imagine someone into music bringing up someone like you.

And your type of christianity is the kind that the white supremacy people believe in. Not intelligent socially conscious and kind people believe.

You are what you are.
I am who I am.

Preserved

preserved for what - to send to jesus or to try and get me suspended ?

Posted by Mwett on 7/15/2022 5:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Jetson21 on 7/15/2022 5:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Mwett on 7/15/2022 5:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Jetson21 on 7/15/2022 5:06:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Mwett on 7/15/2022 4:51:00 PM (view original):
He had no reason to be upset with you. All he saw was red in a non existent race issue. You were under no obligation to defend him, specially when previously siding with him over me to begin with and isn't it odd that originally I choose to challenge you and that's when he turned all 12-year old temper tantrum. He's a tool. Everyone knows it. You'll get used to it.

Addendum : wow that didn't take long. Brucelee, see what I/we have to deal with ?!

You are a jew hater incarnate. That’s what I deal with from you. In the middle ages you would have tried to kill me with a sword. Now you are very satisfied if my soul gets killed. You spew it and I review it.
I think you have erotic thoughts about Jesus
and you spew hate thinking you are entitled to and blame me for having the gall to defend myself myself and my people.

I lump in everyone else that reads these posts and says nothing.

You are a thoroughly bad guy and a probably an aesexual eunich.
If you transgendered you can become a nun.

There is no doubt that the vast majority of the 10 or so people who post around here have some degree of antisemitism.

I was intelligent enough to not be brainwashed or influenced at any time in my life. Even when you were being groomed by dad to believe in santa claus.
How is dad. Has he seen any UFOs lately or voted for Barry Manilow for a grammy.

Can you imagine someone into music bringing up someone like you.

And your type of christianity is the kind that the white supremacy people believe in. Not intelligent socially conscious and kind people believe.

You are what you are.
I am who I am.

Preserved

preserved for what - to send to jesus or to try and get me suspended ?

Oh but it was really funny about a year ago when you were strawberry preserves everything you wanted to tell on, but not so much now ? Btw, how'd that suspension plan for others work out ?

I know for a fact youre already on watch alert. Dare me to send it and see what happens.

I don’t dare you. You will do what you do.

You tell me that I am going to hell and follow it up that I should also be suspended.
Dont you think that hell is enough?

I started this thread to discuss bible passages.
Not to have people telling other people they are going to hell. That’s on you.

And when i dissected bible passages none of you would engage.

I understand why not and that is what it is.
Cant stand the curiosity of other points of view.

Posted by Mwett on 7/15/2022 6:01:00 PM (view original):
You should see my in box. This topic line sums it up best DO IT DO IT DO IT

You have no pull here. Just a sad sad sad little man. Maybe one day you'll get it and just shut up for a minute. Could look much better if you drop it and that minute starts now . . .

sad little man?
You must be projecting.

Dont know anything about your having a box.
I didn’t know you had a box.

No pull ? what does that mean.
Sounds a little off to me.

I am not an angry person but I hate antisemitism and fanatics.
I never even thought of getting you suspended.
Maybe it is a matter of maturity.

I have joy and people and everything and smart people to talk to and very full and productive days and nights.

All i ever read from you is about Jesus and people going to hell.
Consider peace and love.

Posted by Jetson21 on 7/15/2022 4:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bruceleefan on 7/15/2022 4:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Jetson21 on 7/15/2022 2:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bruceleefan on 7/15/2022 2:36:00 PM (view original):
Since my last post...WOW.

That's all I can say.

It is fairly obvious there isn't anyone actually seeking open dialog and/or polite discourse.
I'll see myself out.

i had a giant post directed to you of real dialogue that you just ignore.

It is kind of bs to criticize me for standing up to being called a person going to hell and a jew said with a dagger.

So i if you can’t face prejudices and say something
by all means.check out.

Matt is the kind of person who is a grave danger to jewish people and you are silent about antisemitsm.

I replied to your giant post. Literally 17 different responses to adequately address all of the points. Check the last 5 posts on page 7 and the first 12 of page 8.

I shouldn't allow an obvious pre existing grudge between you two influence how I react. Apologies.

I stupidly had somewhat high hopes for this thread, and the pure vitriol displayed by most towards each other in this thread is disheartening.

you responded to my first long post - not the second.
You have failed when you equate vitriol caused by someone saying i’m going to hell and calling me a dirty jew leaving out the pejorative with the hater.

You don’t criticize the person saying i’m going to hell.
So whatever you have to say has no meaning to me.

Sorry that you lack the character to speak out against that and not saluting me for refusing to accept it.

You're referring to the post where you requoted yourself and said "I agree with this post"?

I spent an hour answering each point respectfully & thoughtfully as I could, only to have you not even acknowledge a single word of it.
But rather reposting your own post and patting yourself on the back?
And you expect that I should what?
Voice my opinion on the remainder of that post which consists of only more of your opinion?

I do not see where you were called a dirty Jew.

While I don't agree with his general tone, he is simply stating the truth as he sees it. I absolutely called out his demeanor as not very loving.

I'm not sure why you seem to flip a switch and start insulting where it isn't warranted.

Posted by bruceleefan on 7/15/2022 6:31:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Jetson21 on 7/15/2022 4:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bruceleefan on 7/15/2022 4:27:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Jetson21 on 7/15/2022 2:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by bruceleefan on 7/15/2022 2:36:00 PM (view original):
Since my last post...WOW.

That's all I can say.

It is fairly obvious there isn't anyone actually seeking open dialog and/or polite discourse.
I'll see myself out.

i had a giant post directed to you of real dialogue that you just ignore.

It is kind of bs to criticize me for standing up to being called a person going to hell and a jew said with a dagger.

So i if you can’t face prejudices and say something
by all means.check out.

Matt is the kind of person who is a grave danger to jewish people and you are silent about antisemitsm.

I replied to your giant post. Literally 17 different responses to adequately address all of the points. Check the last 5 posts on page 7 and the first 12 of page 8.

I shouldn't allow an obvious pre existing grudge between you two influence how I react. Apologies.

I stupidly had somewhat high hopes for this thread, and the pure vitriol displayed by most towards each other in this thread is disheartening.

you responded to my first long post - not the second.
You have failed when you equate vitriol caused by someone saying i’m going to hell and calling me a dirty jew leaving out the pejorative with the hater.

You don’t criticize the person saying i’m going to hell.
So whatever you have to say has no meaning to me.

Sorry that you lack the character to speak out against that and not saluting me for refusing to accept it.

You're referring to the post where you requoted yourself and said "I agree with this post"?

I spent an hour answering each point respectfully & thoughtfully as I could, only to have you not even acknowledge a single word of it.
But rather reposting your own post and patting yourself on the back?
And you expect that I should what?
Voice my opinion on the remainder of that post which consists of only more of your opinion?

I do not see where you were called a dirty Jew.

While I don't agree with his general tone, he is simply stating the truth as he sees it. I absolutely called out his demeanor as not very loving.

I'm not sure why you seem to flip a switch and start insulting where it isn't warranted.

you don’t seem to think that i can’t respond to a person who goes out of his way to say that I personally am going to hell?
That warrants it.

The words dirty jew was not said but it is obvious by the way that he disparages jewish people for refusing to accept one of us as the savior as we don’t have that right and how can they do it and they are going to hell.

I don’t share a scintilla of belief that there is hell
and everything about life and the universe tells me that there is no heaven. Just the physical world making it even more important for fanatics to live life because this might be it.

IMO - there is no interventionist God and i can hardly imagine a place beyond this similar to this with eligibilty and immigration status and a point system and I certainly can’t imagine a place 90% mostly white christians and very few asians and no people from India or China or Japan or Hindus and Buddhists or the people of the book and all of the fireman and police officers and doctors saving lives and philanthropists etc being consigned to hell.

Pardon ne if that is just crazy town beliefs
but no one should be saying that jewish people are going to hell. We have suffered enough hell on earth at the hands of christians.

I have noticed an intersection between islamic terrorists and certain fundamentalist christian groups.
The extreme muslims think that people who don’t believe in Allah should be bodily killed.
Those fundamentalists just have the soul annihilated by their lamb.

None of this makes any sense to me.

Here's the thing. I know full well Jews in general have no concept of Hell. So if someone says you are going there, who cares? It doesn't even exist. Right?

I mean, I get the offense just from the superior attitude displayed while judging you. But to read into it all this other stuff? I don't get that.

As you don't even put much credit in the Tanakh, I'm not sure any fruit can ever come from simply sharing unsupported opinions.

I fully believe the Jews ARE God's special people.
I believe this is plain to anyone with even a cursory knowledge of history. There has been a clear pattern of a ridiculous amount of hatred towards the Jews for literally thousands of years. Everywhere they have been they've been hated.

This is a supernatural phenomenon IMO and only bolsters the claim that they are God's chosen.

I can't emphasize enough the dangerous, but totally natural, mindset of "That person professes to be a Christian but since their actions don't align, I'm going to outright dismiss the validity of anything Christians have to say".

To put it another way:

If a doctor gives a presentation concerning the health risks associated with smoking, but is himself chain smoking during the entire presentation, that fact alone cannot supercede all of the factual data he has presented.

Posted by bruceleefan on 7/15/2022 6:48:00 PM (view original):
Here's the thing. I know full well Jews in general have no concept of Hell. So if someone says you are going there, who cares? It doesn't even exist. Right?

I mean, I get the offense just from the superior attitude displayed while judging you. But to read into it all this other stuff? I don't get that.

As you don't even put much credit in the Tanakh, I'm not sure any fruit can ever come from simply sharing unsupported opinions.

I fully believe the Jews ARE God's special people.
I believe this is plain to anyone with even a cursory knowledge of history. There has been a clear pattern of a ridiculous amount of hatred towards the Jews for literally thousands of years. Everywhere they have been they've been hated.

This is a supernatural phenomenon IMO and only bolsters the claim that they are God's chosen.

telling some one they are going to hell - whatever it is - just speaks for itself.

If he thinks it that’s ok.
But normal people don’t tell people they have that in store for them.
I reiterate - it is abnormal which makes me believe he is really off.
You might think it - I don’t think you do. that’s ok. Your not verifying it and giving me directions and parking.

I think that your comments of the chosen people are wonderful.
You might not realize this but we are taught that the chosen people means that we chose God and not that God chose us. It is a very important distinction.

You are a good person.
I have mentioned that I have a friend - one of my best friends of 35 years who was catholic and went to baptist. I know that he thinks that non believers go someplace else but I understand him and he never talks to me about religion and visa versa
He is a wonderful guy. His whole family is.
I hope you can gain a better understanding of me from that.

I’m in the airport eating chicken teriyaki.
waiting for a delayed flight.
I hope that you can step into my shoes and understand what happens when a religious fanatic keeps telling you that being a good person is irrelevant and I am still going to hell - his sentiment - not mine.

This one is for Mwett:

Please comment on what your study and understanding has led you to believe concerning the fate of someone like the two kids in the movie The Blue Lagoon.

If you're not familiar with it they were two children (say 8 years old or so) who were shipwrecked and were the only 2 who made it to a deserted island. The rest of their party drowned and these two end up on this island together by themselves.

It stands to reason they never were given an opportunity to learn about Christ. If they eventually die at a ripe old age on that island having never even heard the name Jesus, are they damned?

what if those who are presented the gospel and say thanks but it is not for me. No haughtiness no rebel no disrespect just a difference. The power of christ does not compel them not because of spite.

But their minds and the experiences and influences and their grounded reasoning simply informs them differently.
If there is such a discussion of 2 castaways I guess those who pray to a different drummer are damned?

Posted by Mwett on 7/15/2022 8:15:00 PM (view original):
Romans and Psalms and elsewhere tie together a couple things I've said here multiple times. Man is without excuse, and, creation declares the glory of God.

It was St Thérèse of Lisieux who said: "I was between six and seven when I saw the sea for the first time. I could not turn away my eyes: its majesty, the roaring of the waves, the whole vast spectacle impressed me deeply and spoke to my soul of God's power and greatness."

It needn't be limited to kids on a deserted island either. I believe if a woman in an African village isolated from modern civilization talks a walk one day and looks out from the sea cliff at nature's wonderment, crashing waves, dolphins doing mid-air acrobatics, it's dusk out so she can see more stars than she knows any number fathomable to count, and in that moment declares surely there's something bigger than me responsible for all this. I believe that's enough.

She'd never heard the gospel, much less Jesus' name or the story of his father sending him for her. But I believe it's enough that she knew and acknowledged 'something' bigger than herself. You've offered it before in a different example; God meets those whose hearts he knows will respond where they're at. Maybe a holy spirit intervention is appropriate for some times without that person even being aware beyond a realization that something is already in play.

Which to me means even moreso whoa to those who've been presented the gospel and still rebel out of pride and hardheadedness. And that was me for the longest before I too knew, glad to still have a breath remaining to do so. There's still time but don't count on it.

That's a fantastic answer that I honestly didn't expect from the few other posts of yours I've read.

Posted by laramiebob on 7/15/2022 3:17:00 PM (view original):
BTW. Who's Patton Oswald and why does he matter?

Patton Oswalt is a comedian. It matters because the brunt of this entire thread is ******* HILARIOUS.