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madmind
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I’m in, I’ll take San Francisco/California. RIP to the great Bill Russell!
7/31/2022 5:36 PM
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Posted by benhoidal on 7/31/2022 2:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by savoybg on 7/31/2022 2:46:00 PM (view original):
Posted by HDS1 on 7/31/2022 2:37:00 PM (view original):
Put me down for LSU and Louisana Tech
I kinda think that LSU is good enough on their own already, but okay, we'll let you add Malone in. So Shaq, Malone, Pettit, Maravich and Chris Jackson.
Pretty sure you said LSU couldn't combine schools on the first page.
And I find it interesting that Ben, who is the best owner/manager in WIS hoops who wins one out of every 4 leagues he is in, has the best team in this theme with Curry, CP3, Duncan, and John Collins, and is the one campaigning for other teams to not be able to try to compete.
7/31/2022 5:38 PM
savoybg
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Posted by HDS1 on 7/31/2022 5:38:00 PM (view original):
Posted by benhoidal on 7/31/2022 2:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by savoybg on 7/31/2022 2:46:00 PM (view original):
Posted by HDS1 on 7/31/2022 2:37:00 PM (view original):
Put me down for LSU and Louisana Tech
I kinda think that LSU is good enough on their own already, but okay, we'll let you add Malone in. So Shaq, Malone, Pettit, Maravich and Chris Jackson.
Pretty sure you said LSU couldn't combine schools on the first page.
And I find it interesting that Ben, who is the best owner/manager in WIS hoops who wins one out of every 4 leagues he is in, has the best team in this theme with Curry, CP3, Duncan, and John Collins, and is the one campaigning for other teams to not be able to try to compete.
If I had known that Wake was always winning these maybe I would have denied Ben's combo with Davidson. What do you think Ben, is your team too strong for this league like these guys are saying? I don't want to make everybody think that the championship is a foregone conclusion. You don't need to win that way.
7/31/2022 5:49 PM (edited)
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I can switch Davidson out for another small North Carolina school if that makes people happy. Haven’t looked at them yet, but I would assume that outside of Duke/NorthCarolina/NC State/Davidson, that the rest are free game?
7/31/2022 6:04 PM
savoybg
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Posted by benhoidal on 7/31/2022 6:04:00 PM (view original):
I can switch Davidson out for another small North Carolina school if that makes people happy. Haven’t looked at them yet, but I would assume that outside of Duke/NorthCarolina/NC State/Davidson, that the rest are free game?
Maybe Wake belongs on its own, but how about UNC Charlotte which gives you Cornbread Maxwell. I think everybody could live with that.
7/31/2022 6:13 PM
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Posted by savoybg on 7/31/2022 6:13:00 PM (view original):
Posted by benhoidal on 7/31/2022 6:04:00 PM (view original):
I can switch Davidson out for another small North Carolina school if that makes people happy. Haven’t looked at them yet, but I would assume that outside of Duke/NorthCarolina/NC State/Davidson, that the rest are free game?
Maybe Wake belongs on its own, but how about UNC Charlotte which gives you Cornbread Maxwell. I think everybody could live with that.
I’ll look them over later and pick one of the small schools to replace Davidson.
7/31/2022 6:24 PM
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savoybg, the UNC team could have Bob McAdoo, Brad Daugherty, Ed Davis, Brendan Haywood at PF/C. You could have Bobby Jones and John Henson at SF. 1972-73 Billy Cunningham could be used as a backup PG or SG.
7/31/2022 6:59 PM
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I’m in with University of Houston. Is that school considered too big or can I add another?
7/31/2022 7:02 PM
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A UCLA (currently banned) could start: Jrue Holiday, Zach Lavine, Marques Johnson, Bill Walton, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
7/31/2022 7:14 PM
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Posted by ncmusician_7 on 7/31/2022 7:14:00 PM (view original):
A UCLA (currently banned) could start: Jrue Holiday, Zach Lavine, Marques Johnson, Bill Walton, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
Not to mention, Westbrook, Love, Wicks, Wilkes, Goodrich, Miller, and another dozen good players. They by far have the most NBA all stars and the most total selections to all star games.

All-Stars: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (19), Russell Westbrook (nine), Gail Goodrich (five), Marques Johnson (five), Kevin Love (five), Reggie Miller (five), Willie Naulls (four), Sidney Wicks (four), Jamaal Wilkes (three), Baron Davis (two), Zach LaVine (two), Kiki Vandeweghe (two), Bill Walton (two), Don Barksdale (one), Mark Eaton (one), Walt Hazzard (one), Jrue Holiday (one) and Curtis Rowe (one)

Total All-Star selections: 72

By the way, who is Jabbar? They had a guy named Lew Alcindor who was the best college player ever.

7/31/2022 7:19 PM
savoybg
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Posted by PirateSteve on 7/31/2022 7:02:00 PM (view original):
I’m in with University of Houston. Is that school considered too big or can I add another?
They are by themselves, yes. You've got Olajuwon, Elvin Hayes and Drexler. Don't get greedy.

7/31/2022 7:23 PM
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Posted by ncmusician_7 on 7/31/2022 6:59:00 PM (view original):
savoybg, the UNC team could have Bob McAdoo, Brad Daugherty, Ed Davis, Brendan Haywood at PF/C. You could have Bobby Jones and John Henson at SF. 1972-73 Billy Cunningham could be used as a backup PG or SG.
Other than McAdoo I don't see any of those guys as better than Billy C. who was an MVP and among the 50 greatest players when they did that original list. Did you look at the numbers I posted?

John Henson? Are you just phucking with me here?

ABA MVP's
Per Game Shooting Advanced
Season Lg Player Voting Age Tm G MP PTS TRB AST STL BLK FG% 3P% FT% WS WS/48
1975-76 ABA Julius Erving (V) 25 NYA 84 38.6 29.3 11.0 5.0 2.5 1.9 .507 .330 .801 17.7 .262
1974-75 ABA Julius Erving (Tie) (V) 24 NYA 84 40.5 27.9 10.9 5.5 2.2 1.9 .506 .333 .799 17.6 .248
1974-75 ABA George McGinnis (Tie) (V) 24 INA 79 40.4 29.8 14.3 6.3 2.6 0.7 .451 .354 .724 11.6 .174
1973-74 ABA Julius Erving (V) 23 NYA 84 40.5 27.4 10.7 5.2 2.3 2.4 .512 .395 .766 16.5 .233
1972-73 ABA Billy Cunningham (V) 29 CAR 84 38.7 24.1 12.0 6.3 2.6 .487 .286 .789 11.9 .176
1971-72 ABA Artis Gilmore (V) 22 KEN 84 43.6 23.8 17.8 2.7 5.0 .598 .646 19.8 .259
1970-71 ABA Mel Daniels (V) 26 INA 82 38.7 21.0 18.0 2.2 .514 .077 .679 11.4 .173
1969-70 ABA Spencer Haywood (V) 20 DNR 84 45.3 30.0 19.5 2.3 .493 .000 .776 17.1 .216
1968-69 ABA Mel Daniels (V) 24 INA 76 38.6 24.0 16.5 1.5 .476 .000 .604 8.6 .140
1967-68 ABA Connie Hawkins (V) 25 PTP 70 44.9 26.8 13.5 4.6 .519 .222 .764 17.9 .273


BTW, I went to the last game ever in the ABA. The Nets closed out the Nuggets in game 6 at Nassau Colosseum.

Doctor J and Super John took care of business.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/197605130NYA.html

I knew Tim Bassett. He was working for the Nets front office in the 80s and was a regular in the record shop I used to manage back then.






7/31/2022 7:38 PM (edited)
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Posted by savoybg on 7/31/2022 7:37:00 PM (view original):
Posted by ncmusician_7 on 7/31/2022 6:59:00 PM (view original):
savoybg, the UNC team could have Bob McAdoo, Brad Daugherty, Ed Davis, Brendan Haywood at PF/C. You could have Bobby Jones and John Henson at SF. 1972-73 Billy Cunningham could be used as a backup PG or SG.
Other than McAdoo I don't see any of those guys as better than Billy C. who was an MVP and among the 50 greatest players when they did that original list. Did you look at the numbers I posted?

John Henson? Are you just phucking with me here?

ABA MVP's
Per Game Shooting Advanced
Season Lg Player Voting Age Tm G MP PTS TRB AST STL BLK FG% 3P% FT% WS WS/48
1975-76 ABA Julius Erving (V) 25 NYA 84 38.6 29.3 11.0 5.0 2.5 1.9 .507 .330 .801 17.7 .262
1974-75 ABA Julius Erving (Tie) (V) 24 NYA 84 40.5 27.9 10.9 5.5 2.2 1.9 .506 .333 .799 17.6 .248
1974-75 ABA George McGinnis (Tie) (V) 24 INA 79 40.4 29.8 14.3 6.3 2.6 0.7 .451 .354 .724 11.6 .174
1973-74 ABA Julius Erving (V) 23 NYA 84 40.5 27.4 10.7 5.2 2.3 2.4 .512 .395 .766 16.5 .233
1972-73 ABA Billy Cunningham (V) 29 CAR 84 38.7 24.1 12.0 6.3 2.6 .487 .286 .789 11.9 .176
1971-72 ABA Artis Gilmore (V) 22 KEN 84 43.6 23.8 17.8 2.7 5.0 .598 .646 19.8 .259
1970-71 ABA Mel Daniels (V) 26 INA 82 38.7 21.0 18.0 2.2 .514 .077 .679 11.4 .173
1969-70 ABA Spencer Haywood (V) 20 DNR 84 45.3 30.0 19.5 2.3 .493 .000 .776 17.1 .216
1968-69 ABA Mel Daniels (V) 24 INA 76 38.6 24.0 16.5 1.5 .476 .000 .604 8.6 .140
1967-68 ABA Connie Hawkins (V) 25 PTP 70 44.9 26.8 13.5 4.6 .519 .222 .764 17.9 .273


BTW, I went to the last game ever in the ABA. The Nest closed out the Nuggets in game 6 at Nassau Colosseum.

Doctor J and Super took care of business.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/197605130NYA.html

I knew Tim Bassett. He was working for the Nets front office in the 80s and was a regular in the record shop I used to manage back then.








John Henson's 2014-15 and 2017-18 season would be better as a backup SF than any Billy Cunningham season (much better eFG% and Def).
7/31/2022 7:37 PM
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Posted by ncmusician_7 on 7/31/2022 7:37:00 PM (view original):
Posted by savoybg on 7/31/2022 7:37:00 PM (view original):
Posted by ncmusician_7 on 7/31/2022 6:59:00 PM (view original):
savoybg, the UNC team could have Bob McAdoo, Brad Daugherty, Ed Davis, Brendan Haywood at PF/C. You could have Bobby Jones and John Henson at SF. 1972-73 Billy Cunningham could be used as a backup PG or SG.
Other than McAdoo I don't see any of those guys as better than Billy C. who was an MVP and among the 50 greatest players when they did that original list. Did you look at the numbers I posted?

John Henson? Are you just phucking with me here?

ABA MVP's
Per Game Shooting Advanced
Season Lg Player Voting Age Tm G MP PTS TRB AST STL BLK FG% 3P% FT% WS WS/48
1975-76 ABA Julius Erving (V) 25 NYA 84 38.6 29.3 11.0 5.0 2.5 1.9 .507 .330 .801 17.7 .262
1974-75 ABA Julius Erving (Tie) (V) 24 NYA 84 40.5 27.9 10.9 5.5 2.2 1.9 .506 .333 .799 17.6 .248
1974-75 ABA George McGinnis (Tie) (V) 24 INA 79 40.4 29.8 14.3 6.3 2.6 0.7 .451 .354 .724 11.6 .174
1973-74 ABA Julius Erving (V) 23 NYA 84 40.5 27.4 10.7 5.2 2.3 2.4 .512 .395 .766 16.5 .233
1972-73 ABA Billy Cunningham (V) 29 CAR 84 38.7 24.1 12.0 6.3 2.6 .487 .286 .789 11.9 .176
1971-72 ABA Artis Gilmore (V) 22 KEN 84 43.6 23.8 17.8 2.7 5.0 .598 .646 19.8 .259
1970-71 ABA Mel Daniels (V) 26 INA 82 38.7 21.0 18.0 2.2 .514 .077 .679 11.4 .173
1969-70 ABA Spencer Haywood (V) 20 DNR 84 45.3 30.0 19.5 2.3 .493 .000 .776 17.1 .216
1968-69 ABA Mel Daniels (V) 24 INA 76 38.6 24.0 16.5 1.5 .476 .000 .604 8.6 .140
1967-68 ABA Connie Hawkins (V) 25 PTP 70 44.9 26.8 13.5 4.6 .519 .222 .764 17.9 .273


BTW, I went to the last game ever in the ABA. The Nest closed out the Nuggets in game 6 at Nassau Colosseum.

Doctor J and Super took care of business.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/197605130NYA.html

I knew Tim Bassett. He was working for the Nets front office in the 80s and was a regular in the record shop I used to manage back then.








John Henson's 2014-15 and 2017-18 season would be better as a backup SF than any Billy Cunningham season (much better eFG% and Def).
What about rebounding and assists? And Henson's 15% usage doesn't get you many shots with his better eFG, and that better eFG is negated by his 57% foul shooting. No way he's better than Billy.
7/31/2022 7:42 PM
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Cunningham's defense in 1970 is 71, not much below Henson's best all around season, although Henson has other seasons where his defense is better. I don't think that the extra 7 points of eFG are worth the way lower rebounding and assists. At 15% usage playing like 15 minutes a game Henson will not even average one extra basket per game. More like one every 3 games. He averages one extra basket for every 14 FGA, and if he gets fouled he stinks at the line.
7/31/2022 8:27 PM (edited)
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