Posted by berkelon on 8/2/2022 12:24:00 AM (view original):
I would love to hear more about your induction to that men's league hall of fame that you mentioned earlier. Was there a ceremony?

Posted by thomcat on 8/4/2022 11:36:00 AM (view original):

Posted by copernicus on 8/4/2022 11:10:00 AM (view original):
it's funny that the veteran dude who sm'd you never stepped forward... or is it?

In a recent league someone (not me) did post a note with a similar sentiment, so there is no reason to believe it is not legit. Neither is the post consistent with his style, of which we have a large sample. As over the top Savoy may be, I don't think there is any evidence he is not a straight shooter.

Lots of shots, though.

Posted by riftonapple on 8/4/2022 5:47:00 PM (view original):
I would like a 2nd team and one of them to be NC State since that's my alma mater. Would you let me combine them with Clemson? Both schools are in the Carolinas.

Posted by robusk on 8/4/2022 6:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by thomcat on 8/4/2022 11:36:00 AM (view original):

Posted by copernicus on 8/4/2022 11:10:00 AM (view original):
it's funny that the veteran dude who sm'd you never stepped forward... or is it?

In a recent league someone (not me) did post a note with a similar sentiment, so there is no reason to believe it is not legit. Neither is the post consistent with his style, of which we have a large sample. As over the top Savoy may be, I don't think there is any evidence he is not a straight shooter.

Lots of shots, though.

I got no reason to consider the dude a liar myself. I thought the sentiment was misplaced though. This community is super welcoming to new guys. Savoybg is a maniac and came out guns blazing on topics he knew nothing about, instead of being curious. However I believe he has good intentions even if he is a whirling dervish, all fists and elbows. I’d like him to find his feet because this community can always used more engaged individuals.

Posted by savoybg on 8/4/2022 6:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by riftonapple on 8/4/2022 5:47:00 PM (view original):
I would like a 2nd team and one of them to be NC State since that's my alma mater. Would you let me combine them with Clemson? Both schools are in the Carolinas.

Sure, why not. After you put the team in the league SM me your paypal address and I will send you $10 to cover the team.

The best player ever from my high school (Paramus, NJ) was the captain of the NC State team that won the championship in 1974. His name was Rick Holdt. He was like the 8th or 9th man on that team, but a senior who was the captain.

Posted by savoybg on 8/4/2022 3:14:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shakespears on 8/4/2022 2:49:00 PM (view original):
I'll take UConn and Hartford.

Okay, you're in. After you put your team on the league page send me a SM with your paypal address and I'll send you $10.

Posted by savoybg on 8/4/2022 8:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 8/4/2022 6:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by thomcat on 8/4/2022 11:36:00 AM (view original):

Posted by copernicus on 8/4/2022 11:10:00 AM (view original):
it's funny that the veteran dude who sm'd you never stepped forward... or is it?

In a recent league someone (not me) did post a note with a similar sentiment, so there is no reason to believe it is not legit. Neither is the post consistent with his style, of which we have a large sample. As over the top Savoy may be, I don't think there is any evidence he is not a straight shooter.

Lots of shots, though.

I got no reason to consider the dude a liar myself. I thought the sentiment was misplaced though. This community is super welcoming to new guys. Savoybg is a maniac and came out guns blazing on topics he knew nothing about, instead of being curious. However I believe he has good intentions even if he is a whirling dervish, all fists and elbows. I’d like him to find his feet because this community can always used more engaged individuals.

Hey, the first thing I said was that steals don't get you extra possessions, and they don't. That topic I know about. That has nothing to do with this sim, it's just a fact of basketball. Team A wins the tip and has the ball to start the game and Team B steals the ball. It's not an extra possession, it's just a possession that comes faster than it would have come because you ended the opponent's possession suddenly and now each team has had one possession. The only way to gain an extra possession on your opponent is an offensive rebound (other than fluke things like having the ball and getting tied up for a jump and then winning the tip).

A steal ends the opponent's possession without him getting a shot or getting to the line, AND you get the ball. So it's better than a blocked shot. But it DOES NOT get you an extra possession which is what ash claimed and why I responded. I just wanted to straight out ash's misconception on steals being part of the possession battle.

Posted by riftonapple on 8/4/2022 9:29:00 PM (view original):

Posted by savoybg on 8/4/2022 6:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by riftonapple on 8/4/2022 5:47:00 PM (view original):
I would like a 2nd team and one of them to be NC State since that's my alma mater. Would you let me combine them with Clemson? Both schools are in the Carolinas.

Sure, why not. After you put the team in the league SM me your paypal address and I will send you $10 to cover the team.

The best player ever from my high school (Paramus, NJ) was the captain of the NC State team that won the championship in 1974. His name was Rick Holdt. He was like the 8th or 9th man on that team, but a senior who was the captain.

No worries, I'll pay for my own team. Just enter a team or two when I get the guts to start my own theme sometime. I got several ideas, just haven't pulled the trigger yet. I am gonna give it another month or two to see if they will add more filters in here so it would be easier to sort. I am dying to have an all-ABA theme, but it would just be too hard for everyone to research without being able to filter to ABA. If they don't add the filters after another month or so I am gonna see if I can get my hands on an ABA player/stat excel spread sheet and just send it out to any owner's that sign up. It's stupid that in wis baseball, you can sort to American League/National league, etc.etc. and they don't have the same kind of filters for basketball.

Posted by robusk on 8/4/2022 9:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by savoybg on 8/4/2022 8:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 8/4/2022 6:38:00 PM (view original):

Posted by thomcat on 8/4/2022 11:36:00 AM (view original):

Posted by copernicus on 8/4/2022 11:10:00 AM (view original):
it's funny that the veteran dude who sm'd you never stepped forward... or is it?

In a recent league someone (not me) did post a note with a similar sentiment, so there is no reason to believe it is not legit. Neither is the post consistent with his style, of which we have a large sample. As over the top Savoy may be, I don't think there is any evidence he is not a straight shooter.

Lots of shots, though.

I got no reason to consider the dude a liar myself. I thought the sentiment was misplaced though. This community is super welcoming to new guys. Savoybg is a maniac and came out guns blazing on topics he knew nothing about, instead of being curious. However I believe he has good intentions even if he is a whirling dervish, all fists and elbows. I’d like him to find his feet because this community can always used more engaged individuals.

Hey, the first thing I said was that steals don't get you extra possessions, and they don't. That topic I know about. That has nothing to do with this sim, it's just a fact of basketball. Team A wins the tip and has the ball to start the game and Team B steals the ball. It's not an extra possession, it's just a possession that comes faster than it would have come because you ended the opponent's possession suddenly and now each team has had one possession. The only way to gain an extra possession on your opponent is an offensive rebound (other than fluke things like having the ball and getting tied up for a jump and then winning the tip).

A steal ends the opponent's possession without him getting a shot or getting to the line, AND you get the ball. So it's better than a blocked shot. But it DOES NOT get you an extra possession which is what ash claimed and why I responded. I just wanted to straight out ash's misconception on steals being part of the possession battle.

I think with regards to the SIM, it's all semantics. Is an OREB% an extra possession or did it extend a possession? Is a steal a shortening of a possession or a gained possession because the opponent wasted it? It was a stupid argument that had nothing to do with how the sim worked and I was annoyed by the breath wasted on it. No one was right and it clogged up a thread full of generally useful information that has helped a lot of people.

Everyone would benefit from moving on and having more substantive discussions about how things work.

Posted by savoybg on 8/4/2022 10:04:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 8/4/2022 9:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by savoybg on 8/4/2022 8:24:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by thomcat on 8/4/2022 11:36:00 AM (view original):

Posted by copernicus on 8/4/2022 11:10:00 AM (view original):
it's funny that the veteran dude who sm'd you never stepped forward... or is it?

In a recent league someone (not me) did post a note with a similar sentiment, so there is no reason to believe it is not legit. Neither is the post consistent with his style, of which we have a large sample. As over the top Savoy may be, I don't think there is any evidence he is not a straight shooter.

Lots of shots, though.

I got no reason to consider the dude a liar myself. I thought the sentiment was misplaced though. This community is super welcoming to new guys. Savoybg is a maniac and came out guns blazing on topics he knew nothing about, instead of being curious. However I believe he has good intentions even if he is a whirling dervish, all fists and elbows. I’d like him to find his feet because this community can always used more engaged individuals.

Hey, the first thing I said was that steals don't get you extra possessions, and they don't. That topic I know about. That has nothing to do with this sim, it's just a fact of basketball. Team A wins the tip and has the ball to start the game and Team B steals the ball. It's not an extra possession, it's just a possession that comes faster than it would have come because you ended the opponent's possession suddenly and now each team has had one possession. The only way to gain an extra possession on your opponent is an offensive rebound (other than fluke things like having the ball and getting tied up for a jump and then winning the tip).

A steal ends the opponent's possession without him getting a shot or getting to the line, AND you get the ball. So it's better than a blocked shot. But it DOES NOT get you an extra possession which is what ash claimed and why I responded. I just wanted to straight out ash's misconception on steals being part of the possession battle.

I think with regards to the SIM, it's all semantics. Is an OREB% an extra possession or did it extend a possession? Is a steal a shortening of a possession or a gained possession because the opponent wasted it? It was a stupid argument that had nothing to do with how the sim worked and I was annoyed by the breath wasted on it. No one was right and it clogged up a thread full of generally useful information that has helped a lot of people.

Everyone would benefit from moving on and having more substantive discussions about how things work.

An offensive rebound is an extra possession because.....

....The rules of basketball say that when the shot leaves the shooter's hand neither team now has team possession for the purposes of fouls and other things. That's why a foul on a rebound "is a loose ball foul." Neither team has team possession, so it's not an offensive or a defensive foul. A moving screen is an offensive foul because the offense still has team possession. Of course the 24 second clock does not reset on a ball that doesn't hit the rim, but that has no bearing on this part of it. When a player gets the ball on an air ball, he is credited with a rebound, so an air ball is a FGA. It just doesn't get you a new 24 because they want to prevent a team from trying to game the system with an "air ball" that is purposely thrown to a teammate to get a new 24. Any time there's a FGA, foul shots, or a turnover, a possession has ended.

A team doesn't "gain a possession" with a steal. They merely start the possession they are going to get anyway sooner. You can only gain a possession when you have 2 consecutive possessions. In can happen in high school ball when a technical is called as a shot is made, or during foul shots, because in high school all technical fouls result in a loss of possession along with the 2 shots. But that's not the NBA rule. On a technical in the NBA, after the one shot, the ball goes back to where it was at the point of interruption.