The 1974 team should not have been named the "Stars," although some of them were good in other years. "Padres" is a stretch too - perhaps the zoo could have loaned a "White Elephant" as a mascot for the year? The whalers are bad neighbors indeed.

Although not quite of whaler age, I was born in SD in the later 1960s due to my father's Naval career. I fortunately relocated before this travesty hit the field. They sold 1,075,399 tickets to the clown show you bequeathed. I don't see how their contribution to my team could match even 25% of their 60 wins. Thank you, kind sir.

Posted by ermocito on 8/22/2022 3:54:00 PM (view original):
The 1974 team should not have been named the "Stars," although some of them were good in other years. "Padres" is a stretch too - perhaps the zoo could have loaned a "White Elephant" as a mascot for the year? The whalers are bad neighbors indeed.

Although not quite of whaler age, I was born in SD in the later 1960s due to my father's Naval career. I fortunately relocated before this travesty hit the field. They sold 1,075,399 tickets to the clown show you bequeathed. I don't see how their contribution to my team could match even 25% of their 60 wins. Thank you, kind sir.

This team was one of my finalists to gift beernoser to kick off the round, because they are ridiculously bad. Though that Willie McCovey is a pretty productive bat, unless someone decides to dagger him.

A reporter asked McGraw about his thoughts on the Philadelphia A’s, who at the time had been making headlines as they bought up contracts of some of the top players in the National League, such as Hall of Fame pitcher Rube Waddell and outfielder Topsy Hartsel. Unenthused by the question, McGraw responded, “The Philadelphia club will make no money. They have a big white elephant on their hands.”

I coached Little League and we were the A's.

I went with the Philly A's because of the cool ballplaying elephant.

I gave the kids awards for 5 RBI's or hitting a home run or 5 walks, or 5 strikeouts, etc and named them after famous A's.

The Elmer Valo Award was for walking twice in a game.

For Wahlers10 I Give you the 1974 Chicago Cubs
You have a couple decent OF options Not much defence.
Some Cheap players but 3 of the 4 under 1 Mil are 2b.
1 decent RP but thats about it.

My job was to screw eman and the 1954 NY Giants. The Giants provide Willie Mays at 11 Mil in the outfield, a decent option at 3B and SS. They are pretty weak at C, 1B, and 2B. Their subs are cheap at 1B, OF, and 3B. They have one solid starter in Antonelli and decent relief pitching.

My goal was to keep them weak where they were weak. I think the best team to accomplish this is the 1934 Cincinnati Reds.
They are really bad. You get no help at 2B, weak players at 1B and C. You do get one cheap 2B but little or no help from a bad pitching staff.

good luck.

midknight -

Your pick of the 1964 Twins was a pretty astute and inspired pick. You've got very solid outfielders, a very good 1B that should be in the OF, and several solid pitching options up and down the roster.

Your main issues that I can see are how homer-prone your staff can be, and the sucking black hole that is 2B.

May we present your second team: the 1964 Boston Red Sox.

The Red Sox are the Twins just like the second generation clone of Michael Keaton in Multiplicity was to the original Michael Keaton.- you can see the similarities, but in every respect it's an inferior product.

Bob Allison is an OF stuck at 1B; Dr. Strangeglove is a DH stuck at 1B.

You have more PA at 2B now. Of course, the best of them contributed by Boston is $4,166 per PA - makes Bernie Allen's $5,284 per PA look great by comparison.

The Twins have 2 very good offensive OF and 2 good defensive OF. The Red Sox have two good power-hitting OF that probably should be playing 1B and one good defensive OF without the power you'd expect from a Hall of Famer in 1964.

And then the pitching staff. The Red Sox have one pitcher you'd WANT to roster, but how in the heck do you configure your settings to get Sparky to give Radatz 157 IP in 2 inning chunks? I've tried to use Mark Eichhorn in the sim many times, and it's not an easy task.

Fenway isn't homer heaven like the Met is, but it's still not where you'd want to try to hide bad pitching.

Enjoy!

Posted by reddtrain on 8/23/2022 10:16:00 AM (view original):
midknight -

Your pick of the 1964 Twins was a pretty astute and inspired pick. You've got very solid outfielders, a very good 1B that should be in the OF, and several solid pitching options up and down the roster.

Your main issues that I can see are how homer-prone your staff can be, and the sucking black hole that is 2B.

May we present your second team: the 1964 Boston Red Sox.

The Red Sox are the Twins just like the second generation clone of Michael Keaton in Multiplicity was to the original Michael Keaton.- you can see the similarities, but in every respect it's an inferior product.

Bob Allison is an OF stuck at 1B; Dr. Strangeglove is a DH stuck at 1B.

You have more PA at 2B now. Of course, the best of them contributed by Boston is $4,166 per PA - makes Bernie Allen's $5,284 per PA look great by comparison.

The Twins have 2 very good offensive OF and 2 good defensive OF. The Red Sox have two good power-hitting OF that probably should be playing 1B and one good defensive OF without the power you'd expect from a Hall of Famer in 1964.

And then the pitching staff. The Red Sox have one pitcher you'd WANT to roster, but how in the heck do you configure your settings to get Sparky to give Radatz 157 IP in 2 inning chunks? I've tried to use Mark Eichhorn in the sim many times, and it's not an easy task.

Fenway isn't homer heaven like the Met is, but it's still not where you'd want to try to hide bad pitching.

Enjoy!

redtrain - Well played. Nice work at matching the Twins strengths with similar players that limit my ability to plug holes. "Sucking black hole" at 2B sums it up pretty well - thanks for nothing. Pairing Fenway with Metropolitan Stadium as my current stadium options sets me up for some potential fireworks. Definitely a challange with only 10 pitching roster slots. The '64 Red Sox give me one minor bit of relief in that if one of my all-time favorites in Killebrew is daggered, then I can replace him with another all-time favorite: Yaz.

I may take the Pepsi challenge with Radatz. I recently played in a "historical replay" league with the '78 Red Sox (Effing Bucky Dent) team. Bob Stanley was their closer and he had similar stats to Radatz. I set Stanley to close and to be available in the 7th in all situations. I was able to get the innings but largely because the pitchers ahead of him were all garbage. So if I go with Radatz, I guess I am rooting for more garbage for my bullpen? I think they call that putting lipstick on a pig.

vilefileman:

I generally don't play with the WWII era teams often but your '44 Reds appear to be a good one. Excellent pitching depth seems to be the strength of your team with a few above average hitters at C, 1B and OF. My initial thought was to identify a similar team with strong pitching and many holes on offense. Difficult to find because I didn't want to give you short help out of the bullpen. Then I looked for simply God-awful bad teams. My top choices were the '74 Padres and the '24 Braves - but they're off the board. There may be a couple of others that I liked, but they would give you either bullpen help or some flexibility on the hitting side. So I decided to just get crazy and give you a team which gives you zilch on the pitching side, but a few decent pieces on hitting, maybe. My gift to you is the 1924 New York Yankees.

Total available players are just 19, and only 7 pitchers to choose from and none of them are worth writing home about. Maybe Pennock or Bullet Joe Bush, but both are $7.3 million.

Hitting - well there is the Babe but at $13.5 million??? I dare you. There are some other good pieces you could add to your offense but mainly at the '44 Reds' strengths: C, 1B and OF. Dugan at 3B may be a decent option for you and same for 2B Ernie Johnson off of the bench.

Good luck!

Posted by vilefileman on 8/23/2022 1:14:00 PM (view original):
Callhoop looking at your roster your 1964 Cincinnati Reds have solid starting pitching and 2 excellent left handed relievers. You have one superstar OF, a decent catcher and some anemic hitting elsewhere around. Did not want to give you any quality fielding infielders or too much top hitting. You get Ski Melillo's glove.

So we gift you the 1934 St. Louis Browns, you'll get a couple of solid OFs, but no help around the horn. As a bonus no quality pitching and all your bench players are over 1M.

God Luck!

Fortunately for me, the 1934 Browns were gifted by redcped to Beernoser earlier in Round 2.

Callhoop gets the 1954 Pittsburgh Pirates

3dayrotation already has the 1954 Yankees. No real stud pitchers but some serviceable ones. His hitting is not what I expected to see when I loaded his page. Very good Mantle and Berra full seasons (and potential dagger candidates) and a Skowron partial if he finds a match. Good but not great Noren, Carey and McDougald.

I am adding the 1964 Washington Senators to this mix.

Nobody at all on this roster has a .350 OBP. He gets a cheap backup catcher to compliment Berra if Yogi stays on the roster. He also gets some middling pitching in Ridzik and Osteen. Not any better than the Yankees he already has however.

Happy to give him this team primarily so I do not get it on the way back.

when this round started i had the 74 cubs and the 34 reds as the top fits... disappointed to see them go.

i see reddtrain's pick gives him some pitching and a good amount of flexibility with his position players... lots of platoons. that left my goal to avoid good pitching and instead of looking at specific positions with the hitters just get overall blah. two blah at every position lets you make your roster but if they can't hit they can't hit.

so your gift is the 1974 tigers. two of the pitchers move into your top 10 erc# and they combine for less than 190 ip. neither team gives you financial issues, but there isn't anyone great to roster worth saving money for either...

Pick for jpeterso - his original team has no 3B and no catcher, so the best match I could find was the 1964 Cleveland Indians (weak at catcher and weak at 3B).

Landry your best hitters were at 1;3;C, and Willie Mays. I wanted to give you a team where the best hitters were at 1;3;C and no pitching. I partially succeeded I got the first and catcher and no pitching correct. Unfortunately you did get some OF. Enjoy the 1934 Bosox pitchers.