https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e1ZmgHlD13LHO6_WYWMds5hCVJxhut5qX3VREjj9Hpo/edit?usp=sharing



Rosters

1. amerk1180 - Wilt Chamberlain, Klay Thompson, Donyell Marshall, Jarrett Allen, Bob McAdoo, Mark Price, Kevin Johnson, Cedric Maxwell, Buddy Hield, Gordon Hayward, Paul Silas, Marcus Smart

2. 20ks - LeBron James, Kevin McHale, Buck Williams, Andrei Kirilenko, Robert Covington, Chris Andersen, Deandre Ayton, Jose Calderon, Tom Boerwinkle, Carmelo Anthony, Jameer Nelson, Caldwell Jones

3. albiband0 - Giannis Antetokounmpo, Joel Embiid, Chauncey Billups, Draymond Green, Alvin Robertson, Domantas Sabonis, Zion Williamson, Blake Griffin, Eddie Jones, Larry Smith, Chris Gatling, Doug Christie

4. tarheel1991 - Steph Curry, Tyson Chandler, Pau Gasol, Jimmy Butler, Mike Conley, Paul Millsap, John Henson, Samuel Dalembert, Greg Monroe, D'Angelo Russell, Matt Barnes, Jordan Bell

5. midge - Michael Jordan, Jason Kidd, Bam Adebayo, Robert Parish, Marques Johnson, Dirk Nowitzki, Tobias Harris, Jeff Hornacek, Bill Bridges, Bailey Howell, Marvin Williams, Marquese Chriss

6. dontburnearl - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Shawn Marion, Ben Simmons, Kyle Lowry, Nicolas Batum, JaVale McGee, Tyrese Haliburton, Marcin Gortat, Thaddeus Young, Roy Tarpley, Ron Harper, Clarence Weatherspoon

7. robusk - Shaquille O'Neal, Damian Lillard, Bill Walton, Sidney Moncrief, Richaun Holmes, Mitchell Robinson, Vince Carter, Terry Tyler, Fat Lever, Yao Ming, David Lee, Dwight Powell

8. ashamael - Dwight Howard, Oscar Robertson, Elton Brand, Jerry Lucas, Brent Barry, Chris Boucher, Brandan Wright, Walt Bellamy, Jason Terry, Wesley Person, Goran Dragic, Zelmo Beaty

9. dh555 - Chris Paul, Scottie Pippen, Alonzo Mourning, Montrezl Harrell, Wes Unseld, Andrew Bynum, Bobby Portis, Rajon Rondo, Antonio McDyess, C.J. McCollum, Miles Bridges, Dewayne Dedmon

10. ty84moss - Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Serge Ibaka, Ray Allen, Andrew Bogut, Enes Kanter, Jamario Moon, Larry Nance Jr, Jusuf Nurkic, Patrick Beverley, Bismack Biyombo, Oliver Miller

11. raggedclaws - Charles Barkley, Clint Capela, Manu Ginobili, Tree Rollins, Al Horford, Bradley Beal, Delon Wright, James Johnson, Jakob Poeltl, Reggie Miller, Daniel Gafford, OG Anunoby

12. pbandj - Nikola Jokic, Steve Nash, Jonas Valanciunas. Bo Outlaw, Kevon Looney, Mikal Bridges, Bob Dandridge, Myles Turner, Dana Barros, Lonzo Ball, Theo Ratliff, Dan Majerle

13. jhsukow - David Robinson, Hassan Whiteside, Horace Grant, Jerry West, Willis Reed, Otto Porter, Kyle Korver, Victor Oladipo, Jarred Vanderbilt, Nate McMillan, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Kris Humphries

14. berkelon - Rudy Gobert, Karl-Anthony Towns, Kyrie Irving, Joakim Noah, Jayson Tatum, Kemba Walker, Michael Porter, Dan Roundfield, Terrell Brandon, Shane Battier, Mel Daniels, Kirk Hinrich

15. jethroeg - Tim Duncan, Bob Lanier, Kobe Bryant, Grant Hill, Deron Williams, Brook Lopez, Tony Allen, John Havlicek, Hot Rod Williams, Baron Davis, George Gervin, T.J. McConnell

16. jpevans31 - Kevin Durant, Andre Drummond, Marcus Camby, Andre Iguodala, Tracy McGrady, Dale Davis, Charles Oakley, Pascal Siakam, Joe Ingles, Mason Plumlee, Michael Cooper, Billy Cunningham

17. longtallbrad - James Harden, Bill Russell, Patrick Ewing, Gerald Wallace, Mookie Blaylock, Terry Porter, Paul Pierce, DeMarcus Cousins, Amir Johnson, Clifford Ray, Ervin Johnson, Tim Hardaway

18. chewy3344 - DeAndre Jordan, Dwyane Wade, Bobby Jones, John Collins, Carlos Boozer, Rodney McCray, Khris Middleton, Kyle O'Quinn, Arvydas Sabonis, Trae Young, Rudy Gay, Boban Marjanovic

19. 24kpyrite - Kevin Garnett, Ben Wallace, Walt Frazier, Christian Wood, Zach LaVine, Anthony Mason, Chris Webber, Dejounte Murray, Russell Westbrook, George T. Johnson, A.C. Green, Larry Sanders

20. edsortails - Anthony Davis, Moses Malone, Paul George, Luka Doncic, Kenneth Faried, Mo Cheeks, Kermit Washington, Paul Westphal, Anderson Varejao, Charlie Ward, Ja Morant, Elvin Hayes

21. jcred5 - Larry Bird, Julius Erving, Dikembe Mutombo, Anfernee Hardaway, Nikola Vucevic, Derek Harper, Robert Williams, David West, Mo Bamba, Andris Biedrins, Brandon Ingram, Bogdan Bogdanovic

22. gerryred - John Stockton, Artis Gilmore, Larry Nance, Eric Bledsoe, Emeka Okafor, Dave Cowens, Chris Mullin, JayMychal Smith, Jaylen Brown, Omer Asik, Cheick Diallo, J.R. Smith

23. benhoidal - Kawhi Leonard, Hakeem Olajuwon, Jrue Holiday, Clyde Drexler, Derrick Favors, Brandon Clarke, Ed Davis, Nerlens Noel, Ivica Zubac, George Hill, Troy Murphy, Nikola Mirotic

24. dbkc - Magic Johnson, Dennis Rodman, Shawn Kemp, Danny Green, Amare Stoudemire, Kevin Love, Kyle Anderson, Rasheed Wallace, Josh Smith, Paul Pressey, LaMelo Ball, Darrell Armstrong

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It's first world problems, but there are so many LeBron options my head might implode.

Imagine if Savage was 10 teams!

I've always thought it would be fun to split Lebron into two draftable players with separate lists of seasons for each and see where the two halves get drafted. Depending on how you do it I think both Lebrons would go in the top 15-20.

Posted by tarheel1991 on 10/6/2022 10:16:00 AM (view original):
I've always thought it would be fun to split Lebron into two draftable players with separate lists of seasons for each and see where the two halves get drafted. Depending on how you do it I think both Lebrons would go in the top 15-20.

If you did 0708-1112 as one LeBron and then 1213-1718 LeBron, they'd probably both go in the top 5.

Posted by robusk on 10/6/2022 12:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tarheel1991 on 10/6/2022 10:16:00 AM (view original):
I've always thought it would be fun to split Lebron into two draftable players with separate lists of seasons for each and see where the two halves get drafted. Depending on how you do it I think both Lebrons would go in the top 15-20.

If you did 0708-1112 as one LeBron and then 1213-1718 LeBron, they'd probably both go in the top 5.

And that's not even including the later seasons, like 19-20 or 21-22, both which would be excellent Savage seasons for any other player.

Where would 17-18 through 21-22 Lebron go? I.e. his last five seasons? Even with no seasons over 70 D it's still probably late 1st right?

Posted by tarheel1991 on 10/6/2022 12:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 10/6/2022 12:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tarheel1991 on 10/6/2022 10:16:00 AM (view original):
I've always thought it would be fun to split Lebron into two draftable players with separate lists of seasons for each and see where the two halves get drafted. Depending on how you do it I think both Lebrons would go in the top 15-20.

If you did 0708-1112 as one LeBron and then 1213-1718 LeBron, they'd probably both go in the top 5.

And that's not even including the later seasons, like 19-20 or 21-22, both which would be excellent Savage seasons for any other player.

Where would 17-18 through 21-22 Lebron go? I.e. his last five seasons? Even with no seasons over 70 D it's still probably late 1st right?

Absolutely. Let's have a thought experiment & try to give each one 6 seasons to choose from.

03-04 through 09-10 is Bron A
10-11 through 15-16 is Bron B
16-17 through current is Bron C

Bron B is obviously the best player in the sim.

Bron A is still ridiculously good - a (much) better (undrafted as of this post player). I think he's easily top 10, most likely top 5. Maybe even top 2. There are maybe discussions b/w him & Mike, but I think it's reasonable to say Bron A easily wins. I probably take him 2.

Bron C is definitely a drop off from the other two, but with his efg%, all 70 defense, dimes, back court boards, threes, usage... Probably still top 15 & easily a 1st rounder.

Posted by ashamael on 10/6/2022 4:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tarheel1991 on 10/6/2022 12:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 10/6/2022 12:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tarheel1991 on 10/6/2022 10:16:00 AM (view original):
I've always thought it would be fun to split Lebron into two draftable players with separate lists of seasons for each and see where the two halves get drafted. Depending on how you do it I think both Lebrons would go in the top 15-20.

If you did 0708-1112 as one LeBron and then 1213-1718 LeBron, they'd probably both go in the top 5.

And that's not even including the later seasons, like 19-20 or 21-22, both which would be excellent Savage seasons for any other player.

Where would 17-18 through 21-22 Lebron go? I.e. his last five seasons? Even with no seasons over 70 D it's still probably late 1st right?

Absolutely. Let's have a thought experiment & try to give each one 6 seasons to choose from.

03-04 through 09-10 is Bron A
10-11 through 15-16 is Bron B
16-17 through current is Bron C

Bron B is obviously the best player in the sim.

Bron A is still ridiculously good - a (much) better (undrafted as of this post player). I think he's easily top 10, most likely top 5. Maybe even top 2. There are maybe discussions b/w him & Mike, but I think it's reasonable to say Bron A easily wins. I probably take him 2.

Bron C is definitely a drop off from the other two, but with his efg%, all 70 defense, dimes, back court boards, threes, usage... Probably still top 15 & easily a 1st rounder.

I'm not quite as high as you on 03-10 Bron; I know the defense is great but you could argue it goes behind 16-present Bron because 16-17 and 17-18 are so much more efficient than any of the pre-2009 Bron seasons. But definitely agree all three go first round.

Seriously: I would love to do this for the next Savage. Split Bron into those three players and let each be drafted independently. I think it'd be pretty cool.

I saw robusk's response to the Jokic pick. He probably went a little higher than he should. but I figured he would (and should) go higher than he did last season. The 21-22 season is just so insanely good.

Posted by tarheel1991 on 10/6/2022 5:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 10/6/2022 4:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tarheel1991 on 10/6/2022 12:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 10/6/2022 12:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tarheel1991 on 10/6/2022 10:16:00 AM (view original):
I've always thought it would be fun to split Lebron into two draftable players with separate lists of seasons for each and see where the two halves get drafted. Depending on how you do it I think both Lebrons would go in the top 15-20.

If you did 0708-1112 as one LeBron and then 1213-1718 LeBron, they'd probably both go in the top 5.

And that's not even including the later seasons, like 19-20 or 21-22, both which would be excellent Savage seasons for any other player.

Where would 17-18 through 21-22 Lebron go? I.e. his last five seasons? Even with no seasons over 70 D it's still probably late 1st right?

Absolutely. Let's have a thought experiment & try to give each one 6 seasons to choose from.

03-04 through 09-10 is Bron A
10-11 through 15-16 is Bron B
16-17 through current is Bron C

Bron B is obviously the best player in the sim.

Bron A is still ridiculously good - a (much) better (undrafted as of this post player). I think he's easily top 10, most likely top 5. Maybe even top 2. There are maybe discussions b/w him & Mike, but I think it's reasonable to say Bron A easily wins. I probably take him 2.

Bron C is definitely a drop off from the other two, but with his efg%, all 70 defense, dimes, back court boards, threes, usage... Probably still top 15 & easily a 1st rounder.

I'm not quite as high as you on 03-10 Bron; I know the defense is great but you could argue it goes behind 16-present Bron because 16-17 and 17-18 are so much more efficient than any of the pre-2009 Bron seasons. But definitely agree all three go first round.

Seriously: I would love to do this for the next Savage. Split Bron into those three players and let each be drafted independently. I think it'd be pretty cool.

I would hate it simply because of how annoying it be for me from a historical record keeping standpoint.

I'm not quite as high as you on 03-10 Bron; I know the defense is great but you could argue it goes behind 16-present Bron because 16-17 and 17-18 are so much more efficient than any of the pre-2009 Bron seasons. But definitely agree all three go first round.

That's fair. After splitting him into three and running my metrics on him, I stick with my original assessment - but probably don't take Lebron A. James #2. Michael Jordan's best 5 are seriously competitive with Lebron A. James' best 5.

Seriously: I would love to do this for the next Savage. Split Bron into those three players and let each be drafted independently. I think it'd be pretty cool.

Even two would be amazing. I'd love to see Miami/LA Bron & Cleveland Bron buuuuut... yeah.

Posted by robusk on 10/6/2022 5:16:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tarheel1991 on 10/6/2022 5:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 10/6/2022 4:21:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tarheel1991 on 10/6/2022 12:22:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 10/6/2022 12:11:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tarheel1991 on 10/6/2022 10:16:00 AM (view original):
I've always thought it would be fun to split Lebron into two draftable players with separate lists of seasons for each and see where the two halves get drafted. Depending on how you do it I think both Lebrons would go in the top 15-20.

If you did 0708-1112 as one LeBron and then 1213-1718 LeBron, they'd probably both go in the top 5.

And that's not even including the later seasons, like 19-20 or 21-22, both which would be excellent Savage seasons for any other player.

Where would 17-18 through 21-22 Lebron go? I.e. his last five seasons? Even with no seasons over 70 D it's still probably late 1st right?

Absolutely. Let's have a thought experiment & try to give each one 6 seasons to choose from.

03-04 through 09-10 is Bron A
10-11 through 15-16 is Bron B
16-17 through current is Bron C

Bron B is obviously the best player in the sim.

Bron A is still ridiculously good - a (much) better (undrafted as of this post player). I think he's easily top 10, most likely top 5. Maybe even top 2. There are maybe discussions b/w him & Mike, but I think it's reasonable to say Bron A easily wins. I probably take him 2.

Bron C is definitely a drop off from the other two, but with his efg%, all 70 defense, dimes, back court boards, threes, usage... Probably still top 15 & easily a 1st rounder.

I'm not quite as high as you on 03-10 Bron; I know the defense is great but you could argue it goes behind 16-present Bron because 16-17 and 17-18 are so much more efficient than any of the pre-2009 Bron seasons. But definitely agree all three go first round.

Seriously: I would love to do this for the next Savage. Split Bron into those three players and let each be drafted independently. I think it'd be pretty cool.

I would hate it simply because of how annoying it be for me from a historical record keeping standpoint.

fiiiiiiiiiiiiine

You guys underestimate how much hacky bullshit I have to do to keep this train running stats wise as is.