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I think robinhood410 has made me feel great about the circumstances with his words. I’m all for him returning. Based off what I see in the discord. But I feel like cimmy is still combative and I’m not as much on board with him as I am Robinhood. I know they are of the same bunch. But they are reacting totally different to the situation. And that’s fine.

just throwing my thoughts out there

people tend not to react well to being called a cheater, yelled at, berated, etc... i know you and i don't see eye to eye on this, but i have found more success personally winning hearts and minds with calm discourse than confrontation.

i agree that this situation here was too serious to handle offline between coaches, without involving CS. i'm not saying we should have done that here, at all. but one should only expect a cimmy-style reaction to come with the territory. i suspect he will come around some in time, when emotions have cooled. that is one more problem with the pitchfork style you encourage. it doesn't give time for emotions to cool and for heads to level.

If you don’t think I’m being more fair then I normally am, you’re not reading. You’re right that you and I don’t see eye to eye on a lot of things (but honestly that’s more for the show than anything). I’m being VERY open minded about this. I put myself in their shoes……
1) i get ****** back at first
2) I think about it a bit more
3) I listen
4) I view what dozens of others had to say
5) I make a judgement.

in this case I’d feel like, ok I get it. I see why the community is mad. I’d like to apologize, explain, and ask for forgiveness somewhat. Do I owe that to anyone? Of course not. But you guys are my gaming peers and you’re throwing fire at me. I now see why.

next step is to let others know that I get it.

cimmy is not on that at all. He’s still being defensive. So is the entire community wrong? Is CS wrong? Or is 2-5 people wrong? You tell me. From there, if one doesn’t know what to do and how to act, I don’t know what to tell ya.

if a Top-style answer comes with a pitchfork as some of you say, the fact that I can say ‘my bad’ guys if I screw up, should hold a LOT of weight with the community. Be human. Admit wrong. Move forward. Doogan’s post about ‘I disagree it was a big advantage’. Get real. We’ve documented 1000 reasons why it IS compared to his ONE that it isn’t. OWN UP, and it all ends. But the problem is, those who don’t, can’t fake it. They really can’t grasp why it’s an issue. And that’s fine. But they won’t get much love from us if they feel that way

Would you admit wrong if you didn't feel like you were wrong? I honestly don't think robinhood thinks it was wrong either, but he's a people pleaser, and the mob needs a sacrifice, so he's ready and willing. All 3 of us have truly been very open and honest with our statements about all of this, even as the accusations drifted from hacking the website for unlimited APs to being the same people to hiding that we know each other to colluding and hiding secrets from people to whatever the other outlandish things were. If you choose not to believe us, that's obviously your prerogative. If you choose to believe us and disagree, that's cool too. If you want to hate us and/or attribute all of our successes at this game to this one thing, go ahead. It's just wild how this whole thing went down.

It’s very rare for me that in a circumstance like this, where I see dozens of others freaking out, to not stop and think about things, and view thru their eyes. I just don’t see how you can actually feel that you weren’t wrong in any way shape or form. It does happen but it’s rare when 1 person is right and the other 99 are wrong. And after hearing all parties, I just don’t see a way to stand your ground THIS much, in your situation. I’d clearly see how I affected others. Doesn’t mean That you cheated us so bad that we all lost hundreds of dollars. But your decisions caused an impact. You just choose not to see it I am assuming

and again to be clear, I’m not pitchforking. I don’t think you’ve been ‘rude’ which I appreciate. And I’m glad you’re communicating with us. And in this case I’m not screaming out loud. I’m trying to be reasonable. If it’s life or death situation, I can tell you’re the type of guy I’d pal up with and we’d conquer the task at hand. But in a “game”, with people of all sorts and incomes of all sorts, I can’t paint a scenario where I don’t feel it’s wrong.

Definitely don’t hate you. I’m looking for a little understanding from you. I think it’s no secret that all you guys were at the top of the Smith world, and all “together”. However you’d like to word it. You don’t think it’s odd that in Smith, maybe the best 4 teams in the entire world are you 4? 4 that are connected, doing the same thing that no one else is doing? Do you really feel like you guys are the 4 best coaches in HD and that’s not a coincidence? (I’m really asking. Not being a jerk. If you feel that way, then why aren’t you the 4 best in all other worlds? Another coincidence?). You don’t find it odd that shoe has publicly questioned what’s going on in that A10? Or Mully left HD entirely because something is different about the A10? You don’t think it’s odd that I’m ‘decent’ everywhere else in HD but where I’m right next to you guys at UConn, I can’t even get an A+ team up to par after like 10-12 seasons? (Wow reading that one out loud, I’m terrible!)? You don’t find it odd that everyone else in the room thinks similar things, and then when a loophole is discovered, the ONLY people doing it are the 4 of you? THAT’S ODD.

I’m not actually debating how good or bad you guys are. I know you’re very good. And I’m not focusing on “IF” you feel you were allowed to do it. I don’t care about that. I’m talking about the actual action of the ‘trick’ you were doing, that only 4 of you were doing. If I was in a conference (or a household) and there were only 4 of us coaches doing the senior redshirt (as an example), and we happened to be the best 4 teams in a given world and likely talked about it at the dinner table, my guilt would say “geez guys, something about this is ridiculously powerful. And we look odd right now”. There’s NO WAY I could have the mindset of “welp it’s in the game and no one else figured it out, that’s on the other 300 coaches in this world, not us”. Play basketball! Don’t do weird stuff. Don’t try to find something new that others don’t know. Just play normal.

sorry Gil, I wrote one as long as yours!

What do you mean by were all "together"? You mean in the same conference? Cimmy and I were two of the top coaches in Smith when I was at Syracuse and he was at Georgia, and then when I was at Kansas and he was at Kentucky. We weren't "together" then. We were still winning championships and it was many years before we ever informed a recruit that we wouldn't redshirt them. Robinhood was not in D1 in Smith for as long, I don't believe, but he's certainly been one of the most successful coaches in other worlds. Worlds that me and Cimmy were not even playing in. Do I think we're the 4 best coaches in HD? Not at all. There's loads of guys out there just as good and, speaking for myself, certainly some that are better. But we were really good for a really long time and it had nothing to do with any sort of collusion or informing recruits of redshirt. So, no, I don't find anything odd about it our success.

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Posted by topdogggbm on 11/3/2022 3:49:00 PM (view original):
I think robinhood410 has made me feel great about the circumstances with his words. I’m all for him returning. Based off what I see in the discord. But I feel like cimmy is still combative and I’m not as much on board with him as I am Robinhood. I know they are of the same bunch. But they are reacting totally different to the situation. And that’s fine.

just throwing my thoughts out there

people tend not to react well to being called a cheater, yelled at, berated, etc... i know you and i don't see eye to eye on this, but i have found more success personally winning hearts and minds with calm discourse than confrontation.

i agree that this situation here was too serious to handle offline between coaches, without involving CS. i'm not saying we should have done that here, at all. but one should only expect a cimmy-style reaction to come with the territory. i suspect he will come around some in time, when emotions have cooled. that is one more problem with the pitchfork style you encourage. it doesn't give time for emotions to cool and for heads to level.

If you don’t think I’m being more fair then I normally am, you’re not reading. You’re right that you and I don’t see eye to eye on a lot of things (but honestly that’s more for the show than anything). I’m being VERY open minded about this. I put myself in their shoes……
1) i get ****** back at first
2) I think about it a bit more
3) I listen
4) I view what dozens of others had to say
5) I make a judgement.

in this case I’d feel like, ok I get it. I see why the community is mad. I’d like to apologize, explain, and ask for forgiveness somewhat. Do I owe that to anyone? Of course not. But you guys are my gaming peers and you’re throwing fire at me. I now see why.

next step is to let others know that I get it.

cimmy is not on that at all. He’s still being defensive. So is the entire community wrong? Is CS wrong? Or is 2-5 people wrong? You tell me. From there, if one doesn’t know what to do and how to act, I don’t know what to tell ya.

if a Top-style answer comes with a pitchfork as some of you say, the fact that I can say ‘my bad’ guys if I screw up, should hold a LOT of weight with the community. Be human. Admit wrong. Move forward. Doogan’s post about ‘I disagree it was a big advantage’. Get real. We’ve documented 1000 reasons why it IS compared to his ONE that it isn’t. OWN UP, and it all ends. But the problem is, those who don’t, can’t fake it. They really can’t grasp why it’s an issue. And that’s fine. But they won’t get much love from us if they feel that way

Would you admit wrong if you didn't feel like you were wrong? I honestly don't think robinhood thinks it was wrong either, but he's a people pleaser, and the mob needs a sacrifice, so he's ready and willing. All 3 of us have truly been very open and honest with our statements about all of this, even as the accusations drifted from hacking the website for unlimited APs to being the same people to hiding that we know each other to colluding and hiding secrets from people to whatever the other outlandish things were. If you choose not to believe us, that's obviously your prerogative. If you choose to believe us and disagree, that's cool too. If you want to hate us and/or attribute all of our successes at this game to this one thing, go ahead. It's just wild how this whole thing went down.

It’s very rare for me that in a circumstance like this, where I see dozens of others freaking out, to not stop and think about things, and view thru their eyes. I just don’t see how you can actually feel that you weren’t wrong in any way shape or form. It does happen but it’s rare when 1 person is right and the other 99 are wrong. And after hearing all parties, I just don’t see a way to stand your ground THIS much, in your situation. I’d clearly see how I affected others. Doesn’t mean That you cheated us so bad that we all lost hundreds of dollars. But your decisions caused an impact. You just choose not to see it I am assuming

and again to be clear, I’m not pitchforking. I don’t think you’ve been ‘rude’ which I appreciate. And I’m glad you’re communicating with us. And in this case I’m not screaming out loud. I’m trying to be reasonable. If it’s life or death situation, I can tell you’re the type of guy I’d pal up with and we’d conquer the task at hand. But in a “game”, with people of all sorts and incomes of all sorts, I can’t paint a scenario where I don’t feel it’s wrong.

Definitely don’t hate you. I’m looking for a little understanding from you. I think it’s no secret that all you guys were at the top of the Smith world, and all “together”. However you’d like to word it. You don’t think it’s odd that in Smith, maybe the best 4 teams in the entire world are you 4? 4 they are connected, doing the same thing that no one else is doing? Do you really feel like you guys are the 4 best coaches in HD and that’s not a coincidence? (I’m really asking. Not being a jerk. If you feel that way, then why aren’t you the 4 best in all other worlds? Another coincidence?). You don’t find it odd that shoe has publicly questioned what’s going on in that A10? Or Mully left HD entirely because something is different about the A10? You don’t think it’s odd that I’m ‘decent’ everywhere else in HD but where I’m right next to you guys, I can’t even get an A+ team up to par after like 10-12 seasons? (Wow reading that one out loud, I’m terrible!)? You don’t find it odd that everyone else in the room thinks similar things, and then when a loophole is discovered, the ONLY people doing it are the 4 of you? THAT’S ODD.

I’m not actually debating how good or bad you guys are. I know you’re very good. And I’m not looking at IF you feel you were allowed to do it. I don’t care about that. I’m talking about the actual action of the ‘trick’ you were doing, that only 4 of you were doing. If I was in a conference (or a household) and there were only 4 of us doing the senior redshirt (as an example), and we were the best 4 teams in a given world, my guilt would say “geez guys, something about this is ridiculously powerful. And we look odd right now”. There’s NO WAY I could have the mindset of “welp it’s in the game and no one else figured it out, that’s on the other 300 coaches in this world, not us”. Play basketball! Don’t do weird stuff. Don’t try to find something new that others don’t know. Just play normal.

sorry Gil, I wrote one as long as yours!

Exactly how I feel. Thanks for writing this out Top.

Also, like I said in my post, I had no idea we were the only ones doing it. I never thought much about how many were doing it. I'm surprised nobody else was. Didn't think it was common knowledge that most people were doing, but would've figured it was something others knew about.

And one more response to you there, Topp. We didn't "try to find something new that others don't know". Cimmy found it accidentally. Then he told me, "Hey, if you tell a recruit you won't redshirt him you get a bit of recruiting effort with no APs spent. I told CS about it and they said that's basically how it works." And I said, "Oh cool, good to know."

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Posted by topdogggbm on 11/3/2022 3:49:00 PM (view original):
I think robinhood410 has made me feel great about the circumstances with his words. I’m all for him returning. Based off what I see in the discord. But I feel like cimmy is still combative and I’m not as much on board with him as I am Robinhood. I know they are of the same bunch. But they are reacting totally different to the situation. And that’s fine.

just throwing my thoughts out there

people tend not to react well to being called a cheater, yelled at, berated, etc... i know you and i don't see eye to eye on this, but i have found more success personally winning hearts and minds with calm discourse than confrontation.

i agree that this situation here was too serious to handle offline between coaches, without involving CS. i'm not saying we should have done that here, at all. but one should only expect a cimmy-style reaction to come with the territory. i suspect he will come around some in time, when emotions have cooled. that is one more problem with the pitchfork style you encourage. it doesn't give time for emotions to cool and for heads to level.

If you don’t think I’m being more fair then I normally am, you’re not reading. You’re right that you and I don’t see eye to eye on a lot of things (but honestly that’s more for the show than anything). I’m being VERY open minded about this. I put myself in their shoes……
1) i get ****** back at first
2) I think about it a bit more
3) I listen
4) I view what dozens of others had to say
5) I make a judgement.

in this case I’d feel like, ok I get it. I see why the community is mad. I’d like to apologize, explain, and ask for forgiveness somewhat. Do I owe that to anyone? Of course not. But you guys are my gaming peers and you’re throwing fire at me. I now see why.

next step is to let others know that I get it.

cimmy is not on that at all. He’s still being defensive. So is the entire community wrong? Is CS wrong? Or is 2-5 people wrong? You tell me. From there, if one doesn’t know what to do and how to act, I don’t know what to tell ya.

if a Top-style answer comes with a pitchfork as some of you say, the fact that I can say ‘my bad’ guys if I screw up, should hold a LOT of weight with the community. Be human. Admit wrong. Move forward. Doogan’s post about ‘I disagree it was a big advantage’. Get real. We’ve documented 1000 reasons why it IS compared to his ONE that it isn’t. OWN UP, and it all ends. But the problem is, those who don’t, can’t fake it. They really can’t grasp why it’s an issue. And that’s fine. But they won’t get much love from us if they feel that way

Have you "documented 1000 reasons" why this is a substantially bigger advantage than redshirting a senior? Cause I've seen zero.

How do you win D1 titles? With 5-star prospects who become NBA draft picks. Redshirting a senior gets you an extra $3,000 in recruiting cash plus 20 extra APs every cycle. If you put all 20 of those extra APs on one recruit it's, I don't know, somewhere in the range of an extra 400 APs you can put on that guy, along with the extra $3K. With the Inform of Redshirt the most you gain on a single recruit is about 40 APs, with no extra cash. I've never said it wasn't an advantage. If you look at my post from yesterday, my whole list was arguing that, compared to something like redshirting a senior, it's not that different.

Posted by doogan on 11/4/2022 1:08:00 PM (view original):
And one more response to you there, Topp. We didn't "try to find something new that others don't know". Cimmy found it accidentally. Then he told me, "Hey, if you tell a recruit you won't redshirt him you get a bit of recruiting effort with no APs spent. I told CS about it and they said that's basically how it works." And I said, "Oh cool, good to know."

That’s exactly what I figured. I hope everyone sees this

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Posted by trojan4309 on 11/3/2022 1:30:00 PM (view original):
Personally, if I knew damn well I had a steroid-like advantage with recruiting and kept it secret from the HD community for 3+ years while knowing it negatively and unfairly impacted other coaches (including financially), then I would issue an apology. NOT defend my actions which is all I’ve seen from the violators.

That’s egregious.

Bingo. And since part of CS's reasoning about letting these guys return is that they have taken full accountability, it looks like CS is going to have to reevaluate their decision. bdash in his post above this, and especially cimmy and doogan are far from accepting accountability, minimizing what they did, denying that they did anything wrong. Maybe slap their wrists a little harder, since that's all CS seems inclined to do. It's a shame that CS missed an opportunity to uphold the integrity of the game.

And I have to wonder how many more zemedlin's are out there, stirred up like he is to look for every exploit they can find, now that it looks like CS will allow the cheaters to remain on the site.

BTW, can anyone mention a site like WIS but where cheaters are actually kicked out? I'm looking for one.

losing all of your teams is *far* from a slap on the wrist. they not only lost all their teams, but their resumes, too. banning their accounts, the folks in question could just come back the next day under a different account, and its virtually impossible to stop that. in terms of HD, these guys basically got a full ban, because they are starting over as completely new accounts. the only difference is that their baseball leagues, they get to keep.

Posted by doogan on 11/4/2022 1:08:00 PM (view original):
And one more response to you there, Topp. We didn't "try to find something new that others don't know". Cimmy found it accidentally. Then he told me, "Hey, if you tell a recruit you won't redshirt him you get a bit of recruiting effort with no APs spent. I told CS about it and they said that's basically how it works." And I said, "Oh cool, good to know."

To be honest I didn’t mean you guys specifically on the “finding something new” part. I just mean why do weird stuff? But apparently the four of you don’t think it’s weird to do what you did. And no one can change that of course.

Personally I wouldn’t have ASKED them if this is how it’s supposed to work. I would have TOLD them “y’all need to check out this ridiculous boost I’m getting from something that doesn’t make sense in this game. That is the issue I have with it all is that it’s just absurd to me we’re even discussing this. Even if CS ever told me it was supposed to work that way, I still wouldn’t believe them. It’s just a goofy concept that’s not in line with how someone should recruit a player

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Posted by CoachSpud on 11/4/2022 12:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by trojan4309 on 11/3/2022 1:30:00 PM (view original):
Personally, if I knew damn well I had a steroid-like advantage with recruiting and kept it secret from the HD community for 3+ years while knowing it negatively and unfairly impacted other coaches (including financially), then I would issue an apology. NOT defend my actions which is all I’ve seen from the violators.

That’s egregious.

Bingo. And since part of CS's reasoning about letting these guys return is that they have taken full accountability, it looks like CS is going to have to reevaluate their decision. bdash in his post above this, and especially cimmy and doogan are far from accepting accountability, minimizing what they did, denying that they did anything wrong. Maybe slap their wrists a little harder, since that's all CS seems inclined to do. It's a shame that CS missed an opportunity to uphold the integrity of the game.

And I have to wonder how many more zemedlin's are out there, stirred up like he is to look for every exploit they can find, now that it looks like CS will allow the cheaters to remain on the site.

BTW, can anyone mention a site like WIS but where cheaters are actually kicked out? I'm looking for one.

losing all of your teams is *far* from a slap on the wrist. they not only lost all their teams, but their resumes, too. banning their accounts, the folks in question could just come back the next day under a different account, and its virtually impossible to stop that. in terms of HD, these guys basically got a full ban, because they are starting over as completely new accounts. the only difference is that their baseball leagues, they get to keep.

Agreed. Its effectively an NCAA death sentence..

Spud, you have zero HD teams so what do you care.

It sounds like this Swenske guy was not that successful of a coach. If the Inform of No Redshirt was as valuable as you suggest and he was doing it as much as he was, wouldn't you think he'd be absolutely dominating the game?

And maybe someone will chime in here (or maybe everyones just moved on with their lives) and say that, it doesn't matter how much of advantage it was, it was an advantage and so that's cheating.

Two responses to that:
1. If it was as big an advantage as many have claimed, I imagine I would have reacted very differently to it. That's when I would've been saying, as Topp said, "Geez, something about this is ridiculously powerful." I didn't see it at all as ridiculously powerful. Swenske's lack of success despite using it a massive number of times is a reflection of that.

2. To state again, the level of advantage is similar to other things that people do. If you want to call me a cheater and ban me, then you need to also call anyone who's ever redshirted a senior to gain extra recruiting cash/APs a cheater who should be banned, or anyone who ever promised an ineligible recruit minutes that they knew they wouldn't have to keep.

Go ahead and stop yourself with the redshirt senior talk. I feel you and I hear you. You’re absolutely right that’s it’s a huge advantage and probably as much as the other (or at least it’s more for a one season sample size bc there’s recruiting $). I’ve seen a lot of people want to take it away. But also It’s a useful tool I’ve used several times to try to balance my classes out and “go in on” a certain season.

I’ve Redshirted freshmen, sophomores, juniors, and seniors, and don’t want that taken away just because others don’t like knowing I could potentially have 1 less opening to fill than the amount of openings I show. It’s hard af to fill out a full, deep roster of 12 elite players at D1 unless your prestige is B+ or higher. So This would only help the big guys if it were taken, not the little guy. I do wonder though if only 6 people knew about it if they’d get their records scrubbed.

But what are you going to do? Take away their recruiting money when period 2 starts, when you apply the redshirt at the end of the season? A lot of people already spend their money in period 1 (and everyone should, except for on late targets of course). So you can’t really take it. AP, sure, but I think that already goes down in period 2, as it shows you have less openings. Can’t remember, I’ve been in rebuild mode with 2 different teams the last several years so I haven’t had a chance to use redshirts the last several seasons, rosters are already too thin and filled with walk ons.


and please don’t make it a rule you have to apply the redshirt beginning of the season. For those that don’t know, if you’re going to apply a redshirt and they’re going to have a work ethic hit (you can find out by trying it, non freshmen typically do), you should wait to apply the redshirt until all practices are done.

going to be annoyed if RSing upperclassmen gets taken away. We might just want to spread awareness that it can be done. I think that’s what people are upset about with the other thing anyway

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Posted by topdogggbm on 11/3/2022 3:49:00 PM (view original):
I think robinhood410 has made me feel great about the circumstances with his words. I’m all for him returning. Based off what I see in the discord. But I feel like cimmy is still combative and I’m not as much on board with him as I am Robinhood. I know they are of the same bunch. But they are reacting totally different to the situation. And that’s fine.

just throwing my thoughts out there

people tend not to react well to being called a cheater, yelled at, berated, etc... i know you and i don't see eye to eye on this, but i have found more success personally winning hearts and minds with calm discourse than confrontation.

i agree that this situation here was too serious to handle offline between coaches, without involving CS. i'm not saying we should have done that here, at all. but one should only expect a cimmy-style reaction to come with the territory. i suspect he will come around some in time, when emotions have cooled. that is one more problem with the pitchfork style you encourage. it doesn't give time for emotions to cool and for heads to level.

If you don’t think I’m being more fair then I normally am, you’re not reading. You’re right that you and I don’t see eye to eye on a lot of things (but honestly that’s more for the show than anything). I’m being VERY open minded about this. I put myself in their shoes……
1) i get ****** back at first
2) I think about it a bit more
3) I listen
4) I view what dozens of others had to say
5) I make a judgement.

in this case I’d feel like, ok I get it. I see why the community is mad. I’d like to apologize, explain, and ask for forgiveness somewhat. Do I owe that to anyone? Of course not. But you guys are my gaming peers and you’re throwing fire at me. I now see why.

next step is to let others know that I get it.

cimmy is not on that at all. He’s still being defensive. So is the entire community wrong? Is CS wrong? Or is 2-5 people wrong? You tell me. From there, if one doesn’t know what to do and how to act, I don’t know what to tell ya.

if a Top-style answer comes with a pitchfork as some of you say, the fact that I can say ‘my bad’ guys if I screw up, should hold a LOT of weight with the community. Be human. Admit wrong. Move forward. Doogan’s post about ‘I disagree it was a big advantage’. Get real. We’ve documented 1000 reasons why it IS compared to his ONE that it isn’t. OWN UP, and it all ends. But the problem is, those who don’t, can’t fake it. They really can’t grasp why it’s an issue. And that’s fine. But they won’t get much love from us if they feel that way

Have you "documented 1000 reasons" why this is a substantially bigger advantage than redshirting a senior? Cause I've seen zero.

How do you win D1 titles? With 5-star prospects who become NBA draft picks. Redshirting a senior gets you an extra $3,000 in recruiting cash plus 20 extra APs every cycle. If you put all 20 of those extra APs on one recruit it's, I don't know, somewhere in the range of an extra 400 APs you can put on that guy, along with the extra $3K. With the Inform of Redshirt the most you gain on a single recruit is about 40 APs, with no extra cash. I've never said it wasn't an advantage. If you look at my post from yesterday, my whole list was arguing that, compared to something like redshirting a senior, it's not that different.

Never redshirted a Sr in D1. At least that I can think of. Besides, at that level, they’d probably go EE wouldn’t they? I don’t know

And I haven’t played D2 in about 2 years and I believe I haven’t sr redshirted since then. I also mentioned I learn more and more each day like everyone else. I mentioned here in the forums something needed to be done about the Sr redshirt. And inels. And everything along silly paths of a game

Posted by topdogggbm on 11/4/2022 1:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by doogan on 11/4/2022 1:08:00 PM (view original):
And one more response to you there, Topp. We didn't "try to find something new that others don't know". Cimmy found it accidentally. Then he told me, "Hey, if you tell a recruit you won't redshirt him you get a bit of recruiting effort with no APs spent. I told CS about it and they said that's basically how it works." And I said, "Oh cool, good to know."

To be honest I didn’t mean you guys specifically on the “finding something new” part. I just mean why do weird stuff? But apparently the four of you don’t think it’s weird to do what you did. And no one can change that of course.

Personally I wouldn’t have ASKED them if this is how it’s supposed to work. I would have TOLD them “y’all need to check out this ridiculous boost I’m getting from something that doesn’t make sense in this game. That is the issue I have with it all is that it’s just absurd to me we’re even discussing this. Even if CS ever told me it was supposed to work that way, I still wouldn’t believe them. It’s just a goofy concept that’s not in line with how someone should recruit a player

We're playing a fake basketball game with fake made-up players with digitally created faces and using "attention points". Isn't it all weird?

Posted by doogan on 11/4/2022 1:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 11/4/2022 1:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by doogan on 11/4/2022 1:08:00 PM (view original):
And one more response to you there, Topp. We didn't "try to find something new that others don't know". Cimmy found it accidentally. Then he told me, "Hey, if you tell a recruit you won't redshirt him you get a bit of recruiting effort with no APs spent. I told CS about it and they said that's basically how it works." And I said, "Oh cool, good to know."

To be honest I didn’t mean you guys specifically on the “finding something new” part. I just mean why do weird stuff? But apparently the four of you don’t think it’s weird to do what you did. And no one can change that of course.

Personally I wouldn’t have ASKED them if this is how it’s supposed to work. I would have TOLD them “y’all need to check out this ridiculous boost I’m getting from something that doesn’t make sense in this game. That is the issue I have with it all is that it’s just absurd to me we’re even discussing this. Even if CS ever told me it was supposed to work that way, I still wouldn’t believe them. It’s just a goofy concept that’s not in line with how someone should recruit a player

We're playing a fake basketball game with fake made-up players with digitally created faces and using "attention points". Isn't it all weird?

Hahahaha yes this is true!!!

Posted by topdogggbm on 11/4/2022 1:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by doogan on 11/4/2022 1:56:00 PM (view original):

Posted by topdogggbm on 11/4/2022 1:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by doogan on 11/4/2022 1:08:00 PM (view original):
And one more response to you there, Topp. We didn't "try to find something new that others don't know". Cimmy found it accidentally. Then he told me, "Hey, if you tell a recruit you won't redshirt him you get a bit of recruiting effort with no APs spent. I told CS about it and they said that's basically how it works." And I said, "Oh cool, good to know."

To be honest I didn’t mean you guys specifically on the “finding something new” part. I just mean why do weird stuff? But apparently the four of you don’t think it’s weird to do what you did. And no one can change that of course.

Personally I wouldn’t have ASKED them if this is how it’s supposed to work. I would have TOLD them “y’all need to check out this ridiculous boost I’m getting from something that doesn’t make sense in this game. That is the issue I have with it all is that it’s just absurd to me we’re even discussing this. Even if CS ever told me it was supposed to work that way, I still wouldn’t believe them. It’s just a goofy concept that’s not in line with how someone should recruit a player

We're playing a fake basketball game with fake made-up players with digitally created faces and using "attention points". Isn't it all weird?

Hahahaha yes this is true!!!

I'm just imagining the look on my wife's face if I were to try to explain to her what aspects of this are weird and which are not haha

Yes that’s true. RSing a senior is a much more useful tool at D2 and D3, so you don’t run the risk of an EE. At those levels, it may be easier to take away, because I don’t think people should be using their recruiting money then anyway unless they’re going after players in the same division. Can’t sign them yet until period 2 anyway and a D1 could always snipe you.