Posted by copernicus on 11/4/2022 12:26:00 PM (view original):
why do you hate america?

Haha! I am a proud left-winger, so maybe you are on to something! Where's my democratic socialism???

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When copernicus said that a 50 defense is net neutral I think what he was saying was that a player with a 50 defensive rating will not affect the shooting ability of whoever is shooting the ball. Anyone above 50 starts knocking points off of the shooting percentage and anyone below 50 is going to make their opponent a better shooter. Any team in this league who averages a 50 defensive rating is going to be a team with bad defense. Teams in the ODL play better defense than your typical real life team.

Posted by PBandJ on 11/4/2022 12:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by savoybg on 11/2/2022 8:49:00 PM (view original):

Posted by copernicus on 11/2/2022 8:04:00 PM (view original):
50 is statistically net neutral in terms of suppressing opp fg% - you got a couple of guys who might impact their match-ups and your aggregate is not great

Yes, so 250 is net neutral for the 5 guys on the court. I am at 336. My average defender in the starting lineup is 67.2. No way that's "bad" defense. It's not great, but it's certainly good.

I'd say 85+ is great, 70-84 is very good, and 60 to 69 is good.

Not exactly accurate.

Look at most players that are used in this and other premium leagues. The lowest defense rating you can find is a 4 and the lowest for a season over $3M is 14. In this league I would say the lowest you will find is around 35 for a player playing more than 10 MPG. That would bring the simple average to 67.5 [(35+100)/total data set]. This means in this league you need a defense around 67.5 to prevent overall mismatches. 337.5 is the baseline for net neutral not 250. The effective range of defenses can possibly fall between 28 and 500, but this is not realistic for this or any league.

Now to get nerdy...the average of the 5 players the will play the most minutes in this league per team is 364.0833 with a standard deviation of 44.04634. While your team falls within one STDEV you are on the back side of that, as am I. Any team in this league that has a defense between 320-408 will see a similar effect (not identical as those toward the bottom of the 320 figure will not do as well as those closer to 408) or a difference that is somewhat predictable. The team below and above will see marked differences.

Now to your team...and where I disagree with steelers. Your problem isn't defense. Your problem is picking the wrong seasons and that you will never use all of your defense. Cowens, Dream, West, Outlaw, and Tinsley all may as well be running out there with meat cleavers. Dream and Cowens will stay in foul trouble. Outlaw will too. You picked the wrong Olajuwon season for sure. Cowens is just the wrong player for this league...period. While 35% OReb is going to help with some second chance scoring, 78.1% DReb% (these percentages are for players with the most minutes) is not going to cut it in this league. You will be eaten alive on the defensive glass. Your team will definitely finish bottom quarter in rebounding and there is nothing your team is elite at. Too many minutes, too low efg%, too low CReb%, too many TO's, too many fouls and not enough stocks to off set the damage. You can outscore, you can't gain more possessions, and you can't not foul.

The first season of ODL is a tough place. You will learn and get better. I say all of this not to be mean, but just to help you understand the landscape. Those guys were grew up watching were great, but that isn't the sim. Player A29DC8 is Reggie Theus and those 10 MPG he plays will be brutal. You can't assume he will wake up and be Reggie Theus with his sweet stroke and have a great game. The sim doesn't think like that. "It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead." Ok, maybe not quite that bad...but hopefully you get my point.

One thing I don't like about this forum is that when you quote you can't edit what is quoted, you must quote the entire post.

Of course there are lots of better Olajuwon seasons, but there is this thing called a "salary cap." I didn't have enough money available to go for a real premium Hakeem season. As for my team not being elite at anything, I think I'll be elite in assists. I'll be very surprised if I am not among the top 3-4 teams in assists per game.

Yes, I likely did not pay enough attention to the fouls that I will be committing, and the TO are big, with Young leading the NBA in real life in that season, but he's also top 5 for MVP in a league that I am currently in that has several teams with a higher salary than 47M. Maybe it won't transfer here.

Why would too many minutes be a problem? I should get less fatigue than the other teams. Are you saying that you can pick more effective players if you come in under the19,680 minutes that should be the minimum?

I like the idea of an advanced draft league, but I don't like salary caps, and I don't like the modern game with all of the threes, and it seems like this league is based mainly on players from this century who make a lot of threes, hence all of the 55+ eFGs on many teams. If you're gonna have a draft league, why is a salary cap needed?

Posted by berkelon on 11/4/2022 3:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by copernicus on 11/4/2022 12:26:00 PM (view original):
why do you hate america?

Haha! I am a proud left-winger, so maybe you are on to something! Where's my democratic socialism???

Who was the "why do you hate America" directed to, and why?

I'm with you Berk, progressive all the way, I refuse to associate with any Trump supporters anymore. Anybody who still supports him after Jan 6, 2021 is dead to me.

PBandJ, what makes Cowens no good for this league?

Is it the eFG of just 50.9%? There are not many centers who make many threes, so yes, there are modern guys with higher eFGs, but very few of them play more than 32 minutes a game, and many of them have usage down around 15%. I went for Cowens because I did not have enough money to afford 2 slightly better 5M guys to cover 48 minutes at center, so I got Cowens who covers 39 minutes a game for 8M. So 3M Mark West covers most of the backup minutes for both C & PF. Cowens is also 84% at the line, which is much better than MOST big men. That makes up for some eFG that he doesn't have.

Cowens

I’m confused….who hates America?

also somebody did team evals last season when my team sucked and I knew it sucked…..somebody better do some now that my team is slightly better! Haha

I’ve probably pushed my leftist agenda more than anyone, but I think the hate America thing was a joke guys. Keep it moving. We might summon Amerk for crying out loud.

It was clearly a joke for the "rich get richer" line in Berk's post on page 3.

“Why would too many minutes be a problem? I should get less fatigue than the other teams. Are you saying that you can pick more effective players if you come in under the19,680 minutes that should be the minimum?”

basically yes. Minutes I believe are the most expensive part of a players. So you’re just wasting hundreds of thousands you could’ve spend on a better Hakeem or other bench players.

on salary caps. I hate the ODL for this but also enjoy it. It’s a fun challenge to try and make the team you want with 47mil and make sure you have enough of everything to keep it competitive.

Try the 52mil league. It just started so next draft won’t be for months but it is very similar but with 5 extra million and is a lot easier to build your team. Or try the DDL. I believe they’re doing sign ups for 50/60s right now and guess what no cap.

I can’t imagine there are many owners do well there first attempt at the ODL. I was always stuck in the 30s for wins back in the day and it appears I’ll probably be back stuck in that range now. Listen to advise and you will improve.

Posted by steelers821 on 11/4/2022 7:12:00 PM (view original):
“Why would too many minutes be a problem? I should get less fatigue than the other teams. Are you saying that you can pick more effective players if you come in under the19,680 minutes that should be the minimum?”

basically yes. Minutes I believe are the most expensive part of a players. So you’re just wasting hundreds of thousands you could’ve spend on a better Hakeem or other bench players.

on salary caps. I hate the ODL for this but also enjoy it. It’s a fun challenge to try and make the team you want with 47mil and make sure you have enough of everything to keep it competitive.

Try the 52mil league. It just started so next draft won’t be for months but it is very similar but with 5 extra million and is a lot easier to build your team. Or try the DDL. I believe they’re doing sign ups for 50/60s right now and guess what no cap.

I can’t imagine there are many owners do well there first attempt at the ODL. I was always stuck in the 30s for wins back in the day and it appears I’ll probably be back stuck in that range now. Listen to advise and you will improve.

I've been in the last 2 DDL's and am in the 50s/60s too, although we are having trouble filling it. In my first DDL shocked the league. I had like the third best record in the league, won like 55 games I think, winning the Midwest but losing my first playoff series in 7 games. Was the top team in the league for the first half of the season. Had the second best player in the league, 70 Haywood, who somehow fell to me at 9th pick. Then I had Buse, Archie Clark (who only I realized was great for 2 seasons), Roger A. Brown (a steal in round 5), and a center platoon of Sikma and Burleson.

In the last one, the 80s, I only won like 35 games. Had a low first round pick and all of the real superstars were gone. Went with a high eFG team that was weak on defense and rebounding, Cheeks, Mullin, Blackman, Laimbeer, Schayes, Steve Johnson, Chambers, Salley were the main players. I started out 5-17 and then was 30-30 from that point on.

We should have included a tiebreaker on the over/unders for how many posts savoy will make this season. Wow, you make leagues very interesting with the commentary and debates but I have not done this much reading since college.

Posted by robusk on 11/4/2022 6:54:00 PM (view original):
I’ve probably pushed my leftist agenda more than anyone, but I think the hate America thing was a joke guys. Keep it moving. We might summon Amerk for crying out loud.

this

it was clearly a joke aimed at berk's rich-getting-richer critique of the division draft system

yes, capitalism is imperfect and needs some socialist trimmings (some of which we already do enjoy) to offset its more exploitative tendencies. And anyone who has ever worked for a large corporation knows that profits over people and short-term earnings over long-term vision is the mammon of the corporate class (which includes me so calm the f down).

sigh - what a world, what a world

Posted by Midge on 11/4/2022 5:04:00 PM (view original):
When copernicus said that a 50 defense is net neutral I think what he was saying was that a player with a 50 defensive rating will not affect the shooting ability of whoever is shooting the ball. Anyone above 50 starts knocking points off of the shooting percentage and anyone below 50 is going to make their opponent a better shooter. Any team in this league who averages a 50 defensive rating is going to be a team with bad defense. Teams in the ODL play better defense than your typical real life team.

that is what I was trying to say - well stated