This is pretty annoying. My 1990-03 Red Sox team has no good relievers. I'd been using '99 Pedro out of the pen and he's doing pretty well. But I needed to balance out his innings, with '00 Pedo. So I flip-flopped the two, so now '00 Pedro is my closer.

'00 Pedro as a starter: 15 starts, 99.1 innings, 32 runs, 2.90 ERA, 9-3 record
'00 Pedro as a reliever: 6 games, 9 innings, 10 runs, 10.00 ERA, 0-2 record (has allowed runs in 5 of 6 relief appearances)

Posted by schwarze on 12/5/2022 6:47:00 PM (view original):
This is pretty annoying. My 1990-03 Red Sox team has no good relievers. I'd been using '99 Pedro out of the pen and he's doing pretty well. But I needed to balance out his innings, with '00 Pedo. So I flip-flopped the two, so now '00 Pedro is my closer.

'00 Pedro as a starter: 15 starts, 99.1 innings, 32 runs, 2.90 ERA, 9-3 record
'00 Pedro as a reliever: 6 games, 9 innings, 10 runs, 10.00 ERA, 0-2 record (has allowed runs in 5 of 6 relief appearances)

If a SP has no relief appearances, the SIM kills him almost every time.

Posted by oldtimer59 on 12/5/2022 7:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by schwarze on 12/5/2022 6:47:00 PM (view original):
This is pretty annoying. My 1990-03 Red Sox team has no good relievers. I'd been using '99 Pedro out of the pen and he's doing pretty well. But I needed to balance out his innings, with '00 Pedo. So I flip-flopped the two, so now '00 Pedro is my closer.

'00 Pedro as a starter: 15 starts, 99.1 innings, 32 runs, 2.90 ERA, 9-3 record
'00 Pedro as a reliever: 6 games, 9 innings, 10 runs, 10.00 ERA, 0-2 record (has allowed runs in 5 of 6 relief appearances)

If a SP has no relief appearances, the SIM kills him almost every time.

This is honestly the first time I ever heard this.

I also never heard of this. Not sure I believe this.

'95 Maddux is doing very well as my 94-99 Braves closer. He's 25 for 27 in saves with a 2.71 ERA.

Guess the player (from my 64-81 Phillies team)
Player A: .253, .355, .519 (6.23 RC/27)
Player B: .311, .361, .505 (6.31 RC/27)

Player A is '81 Mike Schmidt (346 pa, $11.2M salary)
Player B is '79 Bob Boone (244 pa, $4.3M salary)

Wow, this is incredible. In the American League of League 11, only 1 (!!!!) team is more than 3 games back from a playoff spot right now.

A sampling of my pm games from 12/07... You can't make this up.

1894-99 Orioles - Lose 11-6
Up 6-3, give up 2 runs in 8th, 1 run in 9th (w/2 outs) and 5 runs in 10th
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1901-13 Naps - Lose 10-3
Up 3-1, give up 2 runs in 9th (w/2outs), and 7 runs in 11th.
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1903-21 Highlanders - Lose 8-6
I tie it with one run in bottom of 9th, have first & third nobody out - don't score. Give up 2 in 11th
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1910-23 Yankees - Lose 5-2
Up 2-1 in 9th, two outs, nobody on, HBP, single, single. Tie game. Give up 3 in 12th. Bottom of twelfth, we leave bases loaded as 1921 Ruth and 1923 Ruth both make outs during that inning.
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1956-62 Yankees - Lose 3-1
Tied thru eleven, two outs, nobody on, single, walk, walk, single. Ironically, this was against a similar team (57-63 Yankees). They have a much better record than my Yankees team. Will need to do a *deep dive* into why, although 6-11 vs 13-7 in 1-run games is a big part that.
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1981-00 Cardinals - Lose 7-5
Tied 5-5 thru 9, just another extra inning loss as we give up two runs in 10th
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2013-18 Dodgers - Lose 5-4
Two outs, nobody on, we give up a solo HR in 9th to blow a 4-3 lead. Nine innings later, we lose by 1 in 18.
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So for those keeping score at home, that's 0-7 in extra innings (allowing 22 extra-inning runs), plus we had the 9th-inning lead in four of those games. Ironically, only one of these game will be recorded as a 1-run loss. I challenge anybody to produce a worst one-session record in extras.

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In the 12/8 am slate, every single American League team won against the NL in League 11

Yep - of my 30 teams, I went 7-23 in the A.M. slate.

This was pretty cool. I lost eight 1-run games this morning, and hit 7 different scores (I did manage to win four 1-run games). If only the last 2-1 loss would've been 1-0, I would have had them all.

2-1 (twice).
3-2
4-3
5-4
6-5
7-6
8-7

Posted by oldtimer59 on 12/5/2022 7:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by schwarze on 12/5/2022 6:47:00 PM (view original):
This is pretty annoying. My 1990-03 Red Sox team has no good relievers. I'd been using '99 Pedro out of the pen and he's doing pretty well. But I needed to balance out his innings, with '00 Pedo. So I flip-flopped the two, so now '00 Pedro is my closer.

'00 Pedro as a starter: 15 starts, 99.1 innings, 32 runs, 2.90 ERA, 9-3 record
'00 Pedro as a reliever: 6 games, 9 innings, 10 runs, 10.00 ERA, 0-2 record (has allowed runs in 5 of 6 relief appearances)

If a SP has no relief appearances, the SIM kills him almost every time.

I absolutely disgree. Im seeing multiple leagues now where guys are trying a bit of a modified Superman as well as using two 350+ IP SPs setting PC to 60 so they can start every other game then bringing in a "vulture" to get the Win. Lots of guys Winning double digit games and some over 20 doing that.

Posted by The_Creeper on 12/8/2022 8:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by oldtimer59 on 12/5/2022 7:37:00 PM (view original):

Posted by schwarze on 12/5/2022 6:47:00 PM (view original):
This is pretty annoying. My 1990-03 Red Sox team has no good relievers. I'd been using '99 Pedro out of the pen and he's doing pretty well. But I needed to balance out his innings, with '00 Pedo. So I flip-flopped the two, so now '00 Pedro is my closer.

'00 Pedro as a starter: 15 starts, 99.1 innings, 32 runs, 2.90 ERA, 9-3 record
'00 Pedro as a reliever: 6 games, 9 innings, 10 runs, 10.00 ERA, 0-2 record (has allowed runs in 5 of 6 relief appearances)

If a SP has no relief appearances, the SIM kills him almost every time.

I absolutely disgree. Im seeing multiple leagues now where guys are trying a bit of a modified Superman as well as using two 350+ IP SPs setting PC to 60 so they can start every other game then bringing in a "vulture" to get the Win. Lots of guys Winning double digit games and some over 20 doing that.

That's a tandem. Game is set up to do that.

He's talking about Pedro as his closer. If the SP has no relief appearances, SIM almost always kills them. (and vice versa when using RP's with 125+ IP and zero starts)

If this were true, then all those short-innings SPs that people like to use in relief would also get killed and they wouldn't be so popular.

2016 Kershaw had 0 relief appearances and he dominates out of the pen.

Sorry, but I'm not buying this.

I just realized yesterday that stadium choice did not have to be dictated by franchise used, just time frame. Not that it would have made any difference.

Posted by schwarze on 12/9/2022 8:01:00 AM (view original):
If this were true, then all those short-innings SPs that people like to use in relief would also get killed and they wouldn't be so popular.

2016 Kershaw had 0 relief appearances and he dominates out of the pen.

Sorry, but I'm not buying this.

Totally agree w/ schwarze. And I do not believe what OTimer says above is true. I dont know that they are using tandems which is like SP....you set a guy to be Long A meaning he is the first one out of the pen when your SP hits hit pitch cap of 20-40, then they pull him. Until someone proves it is in the algorhithm, Ill continue to state there is NO penalty for using a SP as a RP. The only penalty other than innings/fatigue I have seen in any of the forums is one tied to appearances but that kicks in at like 80.

I have been having some success against heavy platoon teams by starting a LH pitcher (good or bad) and setting his pitch count at like 30-40 with a hook rating at 4-5. Sparky starts all the RHB against him then you bring in a stud RH pitcher in about the 3rd inning for 4 IP against all those RH and he is even better not to mention, it burned up all the bench players because they platooned them in the 4th...No PH left for the 8th.