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no need to threaten us
12/13/2022 1:41 PM
Posted by savoybg on 12/13/2022 1:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Mwett on 12/13/2022 11:37:00 AM (view original):
Posted by 06gsp on 12/13/2022 11:10:00 AM (view original):
Posted by Mwett on 12/12/2022 11:19:00 PM (view original):
Didn't somebody else who was recently banned forever used to post about music along with his typical dose of daily idiocy involving commenting on everyone's everything along with his other talk-to-himself thread ? I'd already been hmmm'ing about the timeline timing, and now this music revelation. Sound like someone else we already knew ? Hadn't he been banned on another user id before coming back brand new and trying hard for the longest time denying they were the same person ? Oh, and the lists; my gosh the endless lists. Purely coincidental, I'm sure. So too the I'm-a-newb-but-already-know-best maneuver. Also the hey if you don't like it then don't pay attention to me doing what I want to do. And setting a new to SLB 1st-week record on being blocked. Congrats on that. I'm sure there's at least 1,000,000 people worldwide like all of that.
account was created in 2009, would be a remarkable long con, and I gotta say I don't think dino or guitarguy are smart enough to pull off a con like this.
Ok, fair enough. Despite remarkable coincidences and recent timeline similarities, we'll go with the completely different random weirdo angle, although I'm not sure this one has much of a head on his shoulders either, not only what he puts us thru in sim complaints which we all have and would be good enough if it ended there, but profanity and calling out admin as well. Who wants to bet a team fee this guy isn't around much longer, whether that's his choice or someone else's . . .
I bought a 6 game pack yesterday before I found out that there were no arm ratings for OFers. I will only run one team at a time, so you guys will see me around for at least another year.
Given the decision tree, how do you see OF Arm Ratings impacting the performance of the decision factors? The runner being thrown out or not advancing is a secondary feature on the tree where they could likely add in some similar elements to the C Arm rating and logic around success rate and advance attempt rate, etc... but how do you see that changing what's already accounted for without adding additional noise or factors that could potentially game other elements? To add in correctly, I would think the site would need to undergo the rewrite mentioned multiple times throughout this thread.

Also, as has been mentioned several times, you seem to have a number of gripes about things that have been well fleshed out or that have been established for game related or fairness reasons without taking any time to look at past forum discussions or understand why it may be why it is before complaining about it. I would wager that most of the hostility you see would not be here if you presented yourself with more curiosity and openness rather than with gripes, defiance, and a know-it-all better-than-thou attitude.

Shoot, I've been fairly active here for over 20 years and have tested virtually every facet of SLB and I still have gained new understandings and learned new things over the last year. For as old as it is and for all the improvements we'd all like to see, the sim is still quite remarkable for what it is and does.
12/13/2022 1:49 PM
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We face Chief Bender (1-2, 5.30) this evening. We're throwing Geoff Zahn (1-1, 2.25) who is coming off an excellent outing last time out. Speaker (97) and McCovey (96) are both in need of some rest. Are there any off days in this sim, where guys get rest without missing a start or a game?





12/13/2022 2:14 PM
Posted by savoybg on 12/13/2022 2:08:00 PM (view original):
Posted by just4me on 12/13/2022 1:49:00 PM (view original):
Posted by savoybg on 12/13/2022 1:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Mwett on 12/13/2022 11:37:00 AM (view original):
Posted by 06gsp on 12/13/2022 11:10:00 AM (view original):
Posted by Mwett on 12/12/2022 11:19:00 PM (view original):
Didn't somebody else who was recently banned forever used to post about music along with his typical dose of daily idiocy involving commenting on everyone's everything along with his other talk-to-himself thread ? I'd already been hmmm'ing about the timeline timing, and now this music revelation. Sound like someone else we already knew ? Hadn't he been banned on another user id before coming back brand new and trying hard for the longest time denying they were the same person ? Oh, and the lists; my gosh the endless lists. Purely coincidental, I'm sure. So too the I'm-a-newb-but-already-know-best maneuver. Also the hey if you don't like it then don't pay attention to me doing what I want to do. And setting a new to SLB 1st-week record on being blocked. Congrats on that. I'm sure there's at least 1,000,000 people worldwide like all of that.
account was created in 2009, would be a remarkable long con, and I gotta say I don't think dino or guitarguy are smart enough to pull off a con like this.
Ok, fair enough. Despite remarkable coincidences and recent timeline similarities, we'll go with the completely different random weirdo angle, although I'm not sure this one has much of a head on his shoulders either, not only what he puts us thru in sim complaints which we all have and would be good enough if it ended there, but profanity and calling out admin as well. Who wants to bet a team fee this guy isn't around much longer, whether that's his choice or someone else's . . .
I bought a 6 game pack yesterday before I found out that there were no arm ratings for OFers. I will only run one team at a time, so you guys will see me around for at least another year.
Given the decision tree, how do you see OF Arm Ratings impacting the performance of the decision factors? The runner being thrown out or not advancing is a secondary feature on the tree where they could likely add in some similar elements to the C Arm rating and logic around success rate and advance attempt rate, etc... but how do you see that changing what's already accounted for without adding additional noise or factors that could potentially game other elements? To add in correctly, I would think the site would need to undergo the rewrite mentioned multiple times throughout this thread.

Also, as has been mentioned several times, you seem to have a number of gripes about things that have been well fleshed out or that have been established for game related or fairness reasons without taking any time to look at past forum discussions or understand why it may be why it is before complaining about it. I would wager that most of the hostility you see would not be here if you presented yourself with more curiosity and openness rather than with gripes, defiance, and a know-it-all better-than-thou attitude.

Shoot, I've been fairly active here for over 20 years and have tested virtually every facet of SLB and I still have gained new understandings and learned new things over the last year. For as old as it is and for all the improvements we'd all like to see, the sim is still quite remarkable for what it is and does.
What other sims have you tried?

If this is the only one it may seem remarkable because you haven't seen any of the better ones. It's like a guy in 1966 who thought that nothing could ever sound better than his transistor radio. Like a guy who in 1985 was amazed at how great his DOS computer was.

Are there ejections in this sim?

What about plays where a batter singles and drives in a run from 2B, but the runner from first is thrown out at third.

How about a brawl with multiple ejections, does that ever occur?

Are batters rated for SAC bunting and pitchers rated for holding runners on base like in Diamond Mind?

What about steal ratings for runners? I only see a speed rating, which is very different than being able to steal bases at a high success rate.

What is "quite remarkable" to you is subpar to someone who had played many other baseball sims.

And 20 years without an update is remarkable in a negative way.






I've played SoM, APBA, History Maker, Diamond Mind, OOTP, PredictionMachine, Gamesim+... each have features I like and don't like.

WIS and OOTP are my two favorites...
12/13/2022 2:22 PM
What do you like and what don't you like about Diamond Mind?
12/13/2022 2:25 PM
Posted by savoybg on 12/13/2022 2:08:00 PM (view original):
Posted by just4me on 12/13/2022 1:49:00 PM (view original):
Posted by savoybg on 12/13/2022 1:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by Mwett on 12/13/2022 11:37:00 AM (view original):
Posted by 06gsp on 12/13/2022 11:10:00 AM (view original):
Posted by Mwett on 12/12/2022 11:19:00 PM (view original):
Didn't somebody else who was recently banned forever used to post about music along with his typical dose of daily idiocy involving commenting on everyone's everything along with his other talk-to-himself thread ? I'd already been hmmm'ing about the timeline timing, and now this music revelation. Sound like someone else we already knew ? Hadn't he been banned on another user id before coming back brand new and trying hard for the longest time denying they were the same person ? Oh, and the lists; my gosh the endless lists. Purely coincidental, I'm sure. So too the I'm-a-newb-but-already-know-best maneuver. Also the hey if you don't like it then don't pay attention to me doing what I want to do. And setting a new to SLB 1st-week record on being blocked. Congrats on that. I'm sure there's at least 1,000,000 people worldwide like all of that.
account was created in 2009, would be a remarkable long con, and I gotta say I don't think dino or guitarguy are smart enough to pull off a con like this.
Ok, fair enough. Despite remarkable coincidences and recent timeline similarities, we'll go with the completely different random weirdo angle, although I'm not sure this one has much of a head on his shoulders either, not only what he puts us thru in sim complaints which we all have and would be good enough if it ended there, but profanity and calling out admin as well. Who wants to bet a team fee this guy isn't around much longer, whether that's his choice or someone else's . . .
I bought a 6 game pack yesterday before I found out that there were no arm ratings for OFers. I will only run one team at a time, so you guys will see me around for at least another year.
Given the decision tree, how do you see OF Arm Ratings impacting the performance of the decision factors? The runner being thrown out or not advancing is a secondary feature on the tree where they could likely add in some similar elements to the C Arm rating and logic around success rate and advance attempt rate, etc... but how do you see that changing what's already accounted for without adding additional noise or factors that could potentially game other elements? To add in correctly, I would think the site would need to undergo the rewrite mentioned multiple times throughout this thread.

Also, as has been mentioned several times, you seem to have a number of gripes about things that have been well fleshed out or that have been established for game related or fairness reasons without taking any time to look at past forum discussions or understand why it may be why it is before complaining about it. I would wager that most of the hostility you see would not be here if you presented yourself with more curiosity and openness rather than with gripes, defiance, and a know-it-all better-than-thou attitude.

Shoot, I've been fairly active here for over 20 years and have tested virtually every facet of SLB and I still have gained new understandings and learned new things over the last year. For as old as it is and for all the improvements we'd all like to see, the sim is still quite remarkable for what it is and does.
What other sims have you tried?

If this is the only one it may seem remarkable because you haven't seen any of the better ones. It's like a guy in 1966 who thought that nothing could ever sound better than his transistor radio. Like a guy who in 1985 was amazed at how great his DOS computer was.

Are there ejections in this sim?

What about plays where a batter singles and drives in a run from 2B, but the runner from first is thrown out at third.

How about a brawl with multiple ejections, does that ever occur?

Are batters rated for SAC bunting and pitchers rated for holding runners on base like in Diamond Mind?

What about steal ratings for runners? I only see a speed rating, which is very different than being able to steal bases at a high success rate.

What is "quite remarkable" to you is subpar to someone who had played many other baseball sims.

And 20 years without an update is remarkable in a negative way.






Yes there are ejections, but they generally are just notational and replace an injury from fatigue.

Runners being thrown out are accounted for in the decision tree, and that occurs, but is also dependent on baserunner aggressiveness settings from the mangers settings.

No, no ratings for SAC or holding runners, those end points are built into outcome elements. WIS is an outcome based sim. Diamond Mind is an input based sim. Very different behavior and goals in their setup.

SB ratings are made up of underlying stats primarily around SB% and SBA/100SBO, speed isn't really part of that equation, though it does factor into being thrown out on the bases. There's more details in the forums around how it comes together.

There've been many updates along the way. The last substantial update though was in 2009.

12/13/2022 2:26 PM
Posted by savoybg on 12/13/2022 2:25:00 PM (view original):
What do you like and what don't you like about Diamond Mind?
It's input based, not outcome based. It factors in elements of performance that are discretionary or situational outcomes as skills or inputs. This is why I primarily like WIS and OOTP, most of the others focus on the inputs and not on the outcomes. Allows flexibility in how a player is used and doesn't pigeon hole use to how they were used IRL. Just because a player hit 8th and got a nuch of SAC opportunities doesn't mean they're better at laying down a sacrifice than a guy who hit leadoff and didn't get those opportunities. Or maybe I prefer seeing Walter Johnson throw 2 innings every other game as a reliever ala Mike Marshall with Kershaw and Sale in a 2-man rotation as openers in front of him. WIS and OOTP make that really easy (gamesim+ has some nice features here, too, but their user dashboard and functionality is difficult to navigate, PredictionMachine started strong and was essentially a WIS clone, that folded), the rest focus on the input metrics not the ones that actually determine outcomes.
12/13/2022 2:32 PM
Dude, this Savoybg guy is self-obsessed, has zero self-awareness, and is downright rude (see his message to admin).

Wow.

And this is coming from ME of all people.
12/13/2022 2:39 PM
Posted by Guitarguy567 on 12/13/2022 2:39:00 PM (view original):
Dude, this Savoybg guy is self-obsessed, has zero self-awareness, and is downright rude (see his message to admin).

Wow.

And this is coming from ME of all people.
The message to admin blew my mind.
12/13/2022 2:44 PM
I stopped replying because every time I’d answer his questions or give him information to check up on, he’d just ignore it and continue ranting. I have no issues with asking questions or being curious- but the holier-than-thou attitude is getting old.
12/13/2022 4:59 PM
Posted by just4me on 12/13/2022 2:32:00 PM (view original):
Posted by savoybg on 12/13/2022 2:25:00 PM (view original):
What do you like and what don't you like about Diamond Mind?
It's input based, not outcome based. It factors in elements of performance that are discretionary or situational outcomes as skills or inputs. This is why I primarily like WIS and OOTP, most of the others focus on the inputs and not on the outcomes. Allows flexibility in how a player is used and doesn't pigeon hole use to how they were used IRL. Just because a player hit 8th and got a nuch of SAC opportunities doesn't mean they're better at laying down a sacrifice than a guy who hit leadoff and didn't get those opportunities. Or maybe I prefer seeing Walter Johnson throw 2 innings every other game as a reliever ala Mike Marshall with Kershaw and Sale in a 2-man rotation as openers in front of him. WIS and OOTP make that really easy (gamesim+ has some nice features here, too, but their user dashboard and functionality is difficult to navigate, PredictionMachine started strong and was essentially a WIS clone, that folded), the rest focus on the input metrics not the ones that actually determine outcomes.
Not having pitchers rated for holding runners is absurd. In 1961 in like 275 innings Whitey Ford had just 3 SB attempts against him, and all 3 guys were thrown out. Nolan Ryan on the other hand could not hold runners on, and it's a big reasons as to why he wasn't that great of a run preventer. A big reason why his career ERA+ was just 112. In this sim Ryan will be better than real life because his inability to hold runners on is totally negated.

In his career Ryan allowed 757 SB with only 252 caught, so the entire league stoile against him at a
75% success rate. By contrast Whitey Ford in his entire career allowed just 30 SB with 54 guys caught. The
success rate stealing against Ford was just 36%.

But What If Sports decides that holding runners ratings for pitchers are not needed. Every pitcher is the same when
it comes to the running game. That's pretty preposterous.
12/13/2022 5:38 PM
And 8 hitters aren't sacrificing much with the pitcher up next. Diamond Mind has separate ratings for each batter for SAC bunts and for bunting for a hit. It also has a "jump" rating for each runner for getting a lead in order to attempt a steal. So a guy who was 8 for 8 in stealing can't just steal 100 bases. A guy who was 8 for 8 will only have a FAIR rating for JUMP and an EXCELLENT rating for Steal, while Coleman who went 100 for 113 with have an EXCELLENT jump rating AND an excellent steal rating, so he can go almost all the time like he really did.

Walter Johnson can easily throw 2 innings every other game as a reliever in Diamond Mind.
12/13/2022 5:44 PM
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