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Posted by savoybg on 12/22/2022 10:28:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, well this first season is experimental. I clearly did not spend enough on pitching. Looks like you need to spend between 34 & 40 M on pitching and between like between 38 and 44M on position players. My next team at the moment is 42.5M position players and 37.4M on pitching.
You can win any number of ways and with virtually any team setup... I'm not going to look for now, but a little over a year ago I entered teams spending the lest amount of $ possible on hitting and pitching. Spent somewhere around $8m on hitting and around $9m on pitching if I remember right (I'll bump later for you). In any case, to your point on pitching, the team with the $9m pitching staff won 82 or 83 games.... And, I felt like I could've even improved that performance by changing a couple of my hitters for different hitting/defense types.

It's all about understanding the way the different pieces fit together and how the sim handles those stats.
12/23/2022 11:28 AM
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Posted by akira_hokuto on 12/23/2022 3:24:00 AM (view original):
Posted by savoybg on 12/22/2022 6:17:00 PM (view original):
akira hokuto posted:

don't want your starter pinch hit for because your pen is short? Uncheck the PH box for that pitcher and he won't be pinch hit for I often manage my teams that way particularly if I have an ace I don't want pulled

Except I DO want my starter pinch hit for in the 8th or 9th of a tie game or a game where we are down a run or 2. I just don't want him hit for so early.

In Diamond Mind you can set "pinch hit for" at 5 different levels, so the player can be hit for earlier or later.
You can set pinch hit for 5 different levels here as well under 'manager settings'
No, I mean setting it for each individual player. Here you can only have a team setting.
12/23/2022 12:12 PM
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Posted by chargingryno on 12/23/2022 9:18:00 AM (view original):
Posted by savoybg on 12/22/2022 10:46:00 PM (view original):
Here is what my planned second team looks like right now after some fine tuning.

Position Players
Pos Player B PA/162 AB/162 HR RBI SB-CS SO-BB AB/HR AVG OBP SLG F/R Salary
C 1985 Terry Kennedy L 565 532 10 74 0-0 102-31 53.2 .261 .301 .372 B-/B- $3,793,568
1B 1949 Johnny Mize L 465 409 18 62 1-1 19-50 21.6 .263 .351 .441 B/A- $3,265,304
2B 1989 Robby Thompson R 620 547 13 50 12-2 133-51 42.1 .241 .321 .400 A/B+ $4,992,181
3B 1987 Keith Moreland R 618 567 27 88 3-3 66-39 20.9 .266 .309 .465 C-/C+ $3,628,441
SS 1908 Honus Wagner R 675 598 10 109 53-41 51-54 56.8 .354 .415 .542 C/A $10,312,668
OF 1975 Billy North S 624 524 1 43 30-12 80-81 524.0 .273 .373 .330 C/A+ $4,667,849
OF 1961 Albie Pearson L 539 430 7 41 11-3 40-96 61.0 .288 .420 .400 D/B- $3,592,340
OF 1978 Sixto Lezcano R 519 442 15 61 3-3 83-64 29.5 .292 .377 .459 C+/C+ $3,780,814
1B 1894 Roger Connor S 111 101 1 14 2-2 0-8 82.0 .293 .356 .415 D/A $496,376
2B 2002 D'Angelo Jimenez S 125 108 1 11 2-1 10-16 108.0 .287 .384 .407 C+/A+ $954,320
OF 1927 Ernie Orsatti L 112 98 0 12 2-1 12-11 92.0 .315 .388 .457 D/B $730,339
OF 1928 Paul Easterling R 131 120 3 12 2-1 24-8 38.0 .325 .374 .482 D-/C $862,139
C 1998 Kevin Brown R 128 110 2 15 0-0 31-9 55.0 .264 .320 .400 B+/B $950,105
3B 1912 Harry Wolverton L 54 50 0 4 1-1 4-2 50.0 .300 .340 .360 C/A $255,172
1B 2001 Calvin Pickering L 58 50 3 7 0-0 13-8 16.7 .280 .379 .480 C/D- $248,185
Util optional
Util optional
Util optional
Util optional
Actual Batting Totals 5344 4686 111 603 122-71 668-528 41.4 .282 .359 .428 C/B $42,529,801
Projected Batting Totals 5344 4686 113 618 125-71 674-538 41.5 .283 .359 .525 C/B $42,529,801

Pitching Staff
Role Player T W-L-S IP/162 ERA OAV WHIP K/9 BB/9 HR/9 K-BB Salary
SP 1913 Christy Mathewson R 25-11-2 327 2.06 .252 1.02 2.74 0.62 0.24 93-21 $9,304,318
SP/RP 1974 Phil Niekro R 20-13-1 303 2.38 .225 1.11 5.80 2.62 0.57 195-88 $8,806,333
SP/RP 1908 Andy Coakley R 8-18-2 255 1.86 .249 1.17 2.27 2.38 0.11 61-64 $5,291,825
SP/RP 1904 Doc White L 16-12-0 240 1.78 .238 1.18 4.54 2.68 0.24 115-68 $5,332,767
SP/RP 2022 Dylan Lee L 5-1-0 51 2.13 .212 0.99 10.48 1.78 0.89 59-10 $1,567,044
SP/RP 1968 Roy Face R 2-4-13 52 2.60 .238 1.02 5.88 1.21 0.52 34-7 $1,237,175
SP/RP 2013 Mike Adams R 1-4-0 25 3.96 .242 1.36 8.28 3.96 1.80 23-11 $278,879
SP/RP 2002 Mike Timlin R 1-3-0 61 2.51 .215 0.90 5.16 1.03 1.33 35-7 $1,766,005
SP/RP 1911 Judge Nagle R 4-2-1 29 3.62 .324 1.43 3.62 1.98 0.99 11-6 $223,331
SP/RP 1970 Stan Williams R 10-1-15 114 1.99 .208 1.03 6.04 2.54 0.64 76-32 $3,553,494
SP/RP optional
SP/RP optional
SP/RP optional
Actual Pitching Totals 92-69-34 1,457 2.15 .238 1.10 4.49 2.01 0.44 702-314 $37,361,171
Projected Pitching Totals 92-69-34 1,457 2.14 .238 1.10 4.44 2.00 0.43 717.8326-322.5504 $37,361,171
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At the moment my plan is to use the extra money provided to get upgrades on one or both of the cheap pitchers, Adams and Nagle.
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Much improved from the first team. What I love about this is everyone can build teams their own way. If it was me, I’d make a couple changes, but obviously it’s your team:

1) I’d change 75 North to 73 North. One of my favorites and will perform very well.
2) Honus is great, but there are better $10m seasons in the sim if you want ant to spend that much on a single player (Foxx, Ruth), someone like 79 Templeton is a stud at SS and costs $4m less.
3) The full season of Roger Conner 1894 is one of the best/most used 1B seasons and isn’t that much more than your trio of 1B.
4) Pitching isn’t horrible - I wouldn’t use ERA+ as the main component to draft. #Whip, #oav, #hr9 #erc, #bb/9 are really only stats I look at. The + stats are good for some things, but the # stats do a better job of showing how a player normalizes
79 Templeton only has an OPS+ of 113. I hate guys with no power who also don't walk. You may be right about ERA+. With all of the other problems this sim has I suppose I can't expect it to normalize properly either. 73 North would be an extra million that I don't have. If the normalization is as you say, I guess nobody should EVER use and 20s or 30s pitchers, or any 1968 hitters. Looks like it may be worthwhile to try and get up the extra $ to get the full 1894 Connor. By the way, Connor has only been recognized as being a switch hitter in recent times. In the past he was always listed as just a left handed hitter.
12/23/2022 12:25 PM
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By the way, in the old STATS game that the career players game here is based on, instead of waivers you could cash in a player on your roster for ANY PLAYER in the catalog, with a similar 10% surcharge. That would be nice here, instead of only being able to pick up other owners' castoffs.
12/23/2022 12:33 PM
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79 Templeton only has an OPS+ of 113. I hate guys with no power who also don't walk. You may be right about ERA+. With all of the other problems this sim has I suppose I can't expect it to normalize properly either. 73 North would be an extra million that I don't have. If the normalization is as you say, I guess nobody should EVER use and 20s or 30s pitchers, or any 1968 hitters. Looks like it may be worthwhile to try and get up the extra $ to get the full 1894 Connor. By the way, Connor has only been recognized as being a switch hitter in recent times. In the past he was always listed as just a left handed hitter.

I know Templeton’s raw stats don’t look amazing, but if you put him in a +2B/3B park he’s an xbh machine. He also gets a ton of + plays with his A+ range.

If you can find a way to get 73 north, he’s worth the cost
12/23/2022 1:22 PM
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Posted by just4me on 12/23/2022 11:28:00 AM (view original):
Posted by savoybg on 12/22/2022 10:28:00 PM (view original):
Yeah, well this first season is experimental. I clearly did not spend enough on pitching. Looks like you need to spend between 34 & 40 M on pitching and between like between 38 and 44M on position players. My next team at the moment is 42.5M position players and 37.4M on pitching.
You can win any number of ways and with virtually any team setup... I'm not going to look for now, but a little over a year ago I entered teams spending the lest amount of $ possible on hitting and pitching. Spent somewhere around $8m on hitting and around $9m on pitching if I remember right (I'll bump later for you). In any case, to your point on pitching, the team with the $9m pitching staff won 82 or 83 games.... And, I felt like I could've even improved that performance by changing a couple of my hitters for different hitting/defense types.

It's all about understanding the way the different pieces fit together and how the sim handles those stats.
Bumped that thread for you
12/23/2022 2:33 PM
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Just finally got back from food shopping. Nutley Shop-Rite was a mad house, and the roads are full of cars, AND it started snowing. Anyway, came back to a very nice surprise as we flogged the Yard Dogs this afternoon, 9-0. Patsy Flaherty, after resting for almost a month, went all the way on a shutout. We hammered Cole for 9 hits and 3 walks (4 runs) in 6 innings.

https://www.whatifsports.com/slb/Boxscore.aspx?gid=40527634&pid=1&pbp=0&tf=10

Actually, it was 1-0 through 5 before we started putting it away. We got 3 in the 6th, 3 in the 7th, and 2 in the 8th against a succession of puss slingers. Leach was the hitting star with a HR and 2 singles and 5 RBI. Helms, Flaherty, Murcer and Speaker each had 2 hits.

THREE STARS
1. Patsy Flaherty - complete game shutout
2. Tommy Leach, 3 hits with a HR and 5 RBI
3. Roy Cullenbine - 1 for 2, 2 walks, 2 runs, RBI
12/23/2022 2:54 PM
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Back to .500 at 22-22, 11 games back, and 8 games out of second. Finale of this 3 game series tonight, we face 2022 Dylan Cease (2-3, 4.47). We've got Geoff Zahn (4-4, 4.18) going. Unfortunately I have to now dump Flaherty after this great game that he pitched. I can't afford to wait another 25 days before he is rested.
12/23/2022 3:13 PM
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Chargingryno posted:

Honus is great, but there are better $10m seasons

Okay, thinking about this I switched to a cheaper Wagner season, 1903, where he is actually a better fielder and not so much less of a hitter. He also can play 1B and OF too, with good ratings. The money I saved on SS allowed me to get better starters at 1B and 2B. Not a huge step up at 2B, but definitely a step up, and a big step up at 1B. I was also able to drop the third 1Bman and pick up another cheap pitcher, so I now have 7 guys in the bullpen. Several real high OBP guys now.
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Position Players
Pos Player B PA/162 AB/162 HR RBI SB-CS SO-BB AB/HR AVG OBP SLG F/R Salary
C 1985 Terry Kennedy L 565 532 10 74 0-0 102-31 53.2 .261 .301 .372 B-/B- $3,793,568
1B 2002 Carlos Delgado L 628 505 33 108 1-0 126-102 15.3 .277 .406 .549 C+/B $5,169,944
2B 1894 Bid McPhee R 710 591 5 88 33-32 23-90 94.8 .304 .420 .418 C/A- $5,253,198
3B 1987 Keith Moreland R 618 567 27 88 3-3 66-39 20.9 .266 .309 .465 C-/C+ $3,628,441
SS 1903 Honus Wagner R 661 593 5 101 46-37 46-44 102.4 .355 .414 .518 C/A+ $8,185,864
OF 1975 Billy North S 624 524 1 43 30-12 80-81 524.0 .273 .373 .330 C/A+ $4,667,849
OF 1961 Albie Pearson L 539 430 7 41 11-3 40-96 61.0 .288 .420 .400 D/B- $3,592,340
OF 1978 Sixto Lezcano R 519 442 15 61 3-3 83-64 29.5 .292 .377 .459 C+/C+ $3,780,814
1B 1894 Roger Connor S 111 101 1 14 2-2 0-8 82.0 .293 .356 .415 D/A $496,376
2B 2002 D'Angelo Jimenez S 125 108 1 11 2-1 10-16 108.0 .287 .384 .407 C+/A+ $954,320
OF 1927 Ernie Orsatti L 112 98 0 12 2-1 12-11 92.0 .315 .388 .457 D/B $730,339
OF 1928 Paul Easterling R 131 120 3 12 2-1 24-8 38.0 .325 .374 .482 D-/C $862,139
C 1998 Kevin Brown R 128 110 2 15 0-0 31-9 55.0 .264 .320 .400 B+/B $950,105
3B 1912 Harry Wolverton L 54 50 0 4 1-1 4-2 50.0 .300 .340 .360 C/A $255,172
Util optional
Util optional
Util optional
Util optional
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Actual Batting Totals 5525 4771 110 672 136-96 647-601 41.2 .290 .375 .437 C/B+ $42,320,469
Projected Batting Totals 5525 4771 112 716 151-96 662-634 42.6 .291 .377 .537 C/B+ $42,320,469

Pitching Staff
Role Player T W-L-S IP/162 ERA OAV WHIP K/9 BB/9 HR/9 K-BB Salary
SP 1913 Christy Mathewson R 25-11-2 327 2.06 .252 1.02 2.74 0.62 0.24 93-21 $9,304,318
SP/RP 1974 Phil Niekro R 20-13-1 303 2.38 .225 1.11 5.80 2.62 0.57 195-88 $8,806,333
SP/RP 1908 Andy Coakley R 8-18-2 255 1.86 .249 1.17 2.27 2.38 0.11 61-64 $5,291,825
SP/RP 1904 Doc White L 16-12-0 240 1.78 .238 1.18 4.54 2.68 0.24 115-68 $5,332,767
SP/RP 2022 Dylan Lee L 5-1-0 51 2.13 .212 0.99 10.48 1.78 0.89 59-10 $1,567,044
SP/RP 1968 Roy Face R 2-4-13 52 2.60 .238 1.02 5.88 1.21 0.52 34-7 $1,237,175
SP/RP 1966 Frank Kreutzer L 0-5-0 32 6.03 .236 1.28 6.89 2.87 2.59 24-10 $383,907
SP/RP 2002 Mike Timlin R 1-3-0 61 2.51 .215 0.90 5.16 1.03 1.33 35-7 $1,766,005
SP/RP 1911 Judge Nagle R 4-2-1 29 3.62 .324 1.43 3.62 1.98 0.99 11-6 $223,331
SP/RP 1970 Stan Williams R 10-1-15 114 1.99 .208 1.03 6.04 2.54 0.64 76-32 $3,553,494
SP/RP 2022 Joe Smith R 1-1-0 27 4.61 .297 1.54 5.60 2.96 2.30 17-9 $200,000
SP/RP optional
SP/RP optional
Actual Pitching Totals 92-71-34 1,491 2.25 .239 1.11 4.49 2.01 0.50 720-322 $37,666,199
Projected Pitching Totals 92-71-34 1,491 2.24 .239 1.11 4.45 2.00 0.49 736.2855-330.7391 $37,666,199



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Look at Bip Roberts for 2B, he's like 4.6 mill, also can play OF, bat him 9th and he never really needs to rest
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Lots of "cookies" who are popular/fun to use because they perform well every time.

C: Jack Clements 1890
1B: Roger Connor 1894 or Babe Ruth 1918 with Mike Donlin 1900
2B: King Kelly 1887
3B: Frank Baker 1909
SS: Gary Templeton 1978, 1979, 1981
LF: Reggie Smith 1969, Ketal Marte 2019
RF: Gavvy Cravath 1914, 1915, 1919 (if 1919, then pair with Cy Williams 1927)
CF: Max Carey 1921, Billy North 1973, Willie McGee 1990

I put them in Hilltop or Baker Bowl and just watch them hit doubles and triples.
12/23/2022 10:30 PM
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My current OL team with a similar lineup is below. I am still trying out some of the newer 2022 players - we're 23-13 right now:
C: Adley Rutchman and Tyler Stephenson
1B: Billy O'Brien
2B: Jonathan Schoop
3B: Frank Baker
SS: Andres Gimenez
OF: Ian Happ, Reggie Smith, Gavvy Cravath/Max Carey.
Name (Bats) Pos Order % PA AB HR RBI SB AVG OBP SLG Salary
Jonathan Schoop '21 (R) 2B^ 1 93 177 159 3 16 0 .270 .345 .384 5.59M
Ian Happ '22 (S) RF* 2 90 171 160 1 23 0 .269 .316 .356 4.47M
Gavvy Cravath '19 (R) LF* 3 86 84 76 7 17 0 .355 .417 .697 3.84M
Billy O'Brien '87 (R) 1B* 4 94 165 158 4 22 0 .316 .345 .468 4.07M
Reggie Smith '69 (S) CF* 5 92 160 149 5 36 0 .315 .344 .483 5.28M
Frank Baker '09 (L) 3B* 6 100 155 145 2 22 0 .407 .439 .614 4.89M
Tyler Stephenson '22 (R) C * 7 79 54 54 0 11 0 .389 .389 .463 1.60M
Andres Gimenez '22 (L) SS^ 9 94 143 127 3 17 2 .323 .399 .488 5.65M
Bench
Name (Bats) Pos Order % PA AB HR RBI SB AVG OBP SLG Salary
Max Carey '19 (S) CF* Bench 92 84 79 0 8 0 .316 .357 .380 2.39M
Phil Gosselin '19 (R) SS^ Bench 97 11 11 0 0 0 .364 .364 .364 200K
Frank O'Rourke '20 (R) SS* Bench 87 17 16 0 3 0 .313 .353 .313 386K
Adley Rutschman '22 (S) C * Bench 92 124 107 1 11 0 .224 .331 .299 3.50M
12/23/2022 10:34 PM
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