Beernoser's Neighbor League Topic

Posted by summerfield on 3/13/2023 2:04:00 PM (view original):
It’s like waiting for Santa knowing you’ve been a little ***** all year……and you’re dirt poor
summerfield,

Well Ho Ho Ho! You have a very nice starting rotation but a little pricey, and you could use some help in the bullpen. Also, you need some offense. I'll give you no help with your pitching staff but will give you help on offense at $11.6M with Jimmie Foxx and the 1935 Philadelphia A's. You also get a couple of decent outfielders in the $5-$6 million range, but you already have a couple of decent outfielders in the $5-$6 million range. Enjoy!
3/13/2023 2:45 PM
jpeterso, I thought I had found the perfect team to pair with your '65 Giants and was pretty close to committing to it, but then I found one I liked even better. And more importantly, because nice guys finish last, I wanted to get this team off the board so no one stuck me with it!

Your Giants have a stud CF and SP, and if you are able to roster both of them that's a big chunk of your budget. You've also got a couple other solid bats at 1B and 3B, and you have some nice pitching depth to fill out your roster. I can't mess with any of that, but I can try to make sure you don't get any better with the team I give you.

So, let's talk about your new friends, the 1975 Detroit Tigers.

The Tigers' "best" hitter was Willie Horton, with 25 homers and a .740 OPS. But you can't even use Willie, because he's a DH only. What a shame! Because there's not a single guy on this team with an OBP over .321 or an OPS that tops .750. It's just a sad set of bats, and they aren't so gifted defensively either. I mean, you could roster Ron LeFlore for his 94 speed ... but he's got a .302 OBP and he got thrown out 20 of 48 times that year, so he's not going to catalyze much.

On the pitching side, you do get a usable John Hiller for your pen, but he's a walks-issuing machine and that can lead to some ugly late innings. Mickey Lolich could be one of your SP, I suppose, but he's barely average and looks unlikely to give you a lot of solid innings. Everyone else is pretty darn bad, as you'd expect for a team that went 57-102. There are some cheap roster fillers here, but at some point you actually will need guys who can contribute positively. I'm afraid you won't find many here.

Enjoy!
3/13/2023 3:38 PM
Posted by redcped on 3/13/2023 3:39:00 PM (view original):
jpeterso, I thought I had found the perfect team to pair with your '65 Giants and was pretty close to committing to it, but then I found one I liked even better. And more importantly, because nice guys finish last, I wanted to get this team off the board so no one stuck me with it!

Your Giants have a stud CF and SP, and if you are able to roster both of them that's a big chunk of your budget. You've also got a couple other solid bats at 1B and 3B, and you have some nice pitching depth to fill out your roster. I can't mess with any of that, but I can try to make sure you don't get any better with the team I give you.

So, let's talk about your new friends, the 1975 Detroit Tigers.

The Tigers' "best" hitter was Willie Horton, with 25 homers and a .740 OPS. But you can't even use Willie, because he's a DH only. What a shame! Because there's not a single guy on this team with an OBP over .321 or an OPS that tops .750. It's just a sad set of bats, and they aren't so gifted defensively either. I mean, you could roster Ron LeFlore for his 94 speed ... but he's got a .302 OBP and he got thrown out 20 of 48 times that year, so he's not going to catalyze much.

On the pitching side, you do get a usable John Hiller for your pen, but he's a walks-issuing machine and that can lead to some ugly late innings. Mickey Lolich could be one of your SP, I suppose, but he's barely average and looks unlikely to give you a lot of solid innings. Everyone else is pretty darn bad, as you'd expect for a team that went 57-102. There are some cheap roster fillers here, but at some point you actually will need guys who can contribute positively. I'm afraid you won't find many here.

Enjoy!
geez, I knew i would get them. it's who i would have screwed myself with. Nice job.
3/13/2023 6:37 PM
Ermocito has the 65 Reds, with a feisty young Pete Rose.

I'm going to pair them with another Reds team, 20 years earlier, the 1945 Cincinnati Reds
3/13/2023 6:47 PM
I feel like i got screwed since i spent hours choosing the 75 Tigers and 45 Reds to give _jwillis. Oh, well, the best I can do is give the poor pitching 35 St. Louis Browns to you. You have a couple of low salary pieces but hopefully nothing much else will help. good luck
3/13/2023 7:57 PM
Posted by jpeterso on 3/13/2023 7:57:00 PM (view original):
I feel like i got screwed since i spent hours choosing the 75 Tigers and 45 Reds to give _jwillis. Oh, well, the best I can do is give the poor pitching 35 St. Louis Browns to you. You have a couple of low salary pieces but hopefully nothing much else will help. good luck
The pitchers on this team have great names (Sugar Cain, Ivy Andrews, Bobo Newsom, Snipe Hansen) and terrible numbers (team WHIP is 1.67, team OAV is .295).
3/13/2023 8:15 PM
redcped
75 Atlanta Braves
Redundant outfield help
Perhaps the worst eligible team
Before Maddux & Smoltz
Depth against daggers?
Doubtful
3/13/2023 8:25 PM
Posted by ermocito on 3/13/2023 8:25:00 PM (view original):
redcped
75 Atlanta Braves
Redundant outfield help
Perhaps the worst eligible team
Before Maddux & Smoltz
Depth against daggers?
Doubtful
Other than my birthday-mate Dusty Baker, there's not much here I like. Well played.
3/13/2023 9:19 PM
Our fearless commissioner, Beernoser, chose the 1935 New York Giants with his first pick. A good team, and flexible, too.

For hitters, he's got three terrific (if pricy) outfielders in Mel Ott, Hank Leiber, and Jojo Moore. Each costs in excess of $5.3M and logs more than 720 PAs, making them ill-suited for any kind of platoon at this cap. He's also got a great (if pricy) first baseman in Bill Terry (692 PAs for $6.7M). He's also got a great bargain third baseman in Travis Jackson for just $4M. His options up the middle are solid but uninspired. On the bench, he has cheap backups at most positions, but not SS or 3B. Hmm.

So we don't want to give him any help at C, 2B, or SS. Strength at 1B, 3B, or OF isn't that useful for him, but if I can also deny him any cheap bench options at SS or 3B, then that'll squeeze his flexibility.

The pitching side of the ledger is simpler: just don't give him any if you can avoid it. He's already got two strong, high-IP starters (Carl Hubbell and Hal Schumacher), one solid swingman (Al Smith), and a cheapo reliever with a terrific WHIP but a bad HR rate (Chagnon).

Looks like a job for the 1965 Washington Senators. You get one solid starting pitcher in Pete Richert, but beyond him, things get ugly in a hurry.

Not a single player on the entire roster costs less than $939K. Outside of Richert, the rest of the pitchers are borderline mop-up men with problematic HR rates. And on the hitting side, the only half-decent hitters play 3B or OF. And they've only got one SS and one 3B, so no backups to be had at either of these positions.

Good luck, Mr. Commissioner.
3/13/2023 10:13 PM
1975 Chicago White Sox for vilefileman

structurally almost identical to his 65 Chisox

no backup 3b or ss

same stadium
3/14/2023 11:10 AM (edited)
Just a few rule clarifications long before we get to the dagger rounds. Let's say you have the 25 Yankees and 35 Braves. That means you have two Babe Ruths.

1. If Babe Ruth is daggered, both of his versions are daggered.

2. This is also true of the second dagger round where you tell the daggerer which team the dagger can be thrown at. Let's say you say to throw the dagger at the 35 Braves. If Babe Ruth is daggered, both versions are still daggered even though one version is on the Yankees, not Braves.

3. If you have 1965 Dennis Menke, he counts as one of your shortstops. However he also has ratings at 1B and 3B so once the season starts he can start at any of those three positions. But on your final roster, he counts as one of your two shortstops.
3/14/2023 1:20 PM (edited)
Enjoying this haters ball. Can see some trends. A different type of competition that strangely brings a very fun levity.
3/14/2023 12:11 PM
Posted by seay00 on 3/14/2023 12:11:00 PM (view original):
Enjoying this haters ball. Can see some trends. A different type of competition that strangely brings a very fun levity.
It's good to look at how other owners approach the screw picks to see some of the thought process, especially the first owner who screwed the team you screw next. It is definitely in everyone's self-interest to make your division opponents worse!

I think the second screw assignment is much tougher because almost all the just generically awful teams will be gone. Now you have to start thinking about how that owner is constructing their roster so far with the two teams they have and what choices they're likely to make. The limit of 7 players from their first team is key, because usually that first team has the most good choices. Do they want to "waste" one on the only cheap backup available at one position, for instance? What will they do if a certain star gets daggered? If you can avoid giving them a "backup plan" for one of those scenarios, it could be impactful.
3/14/2023 12:46 PM
1955 Washington Senators

I’ll post my reasoning later

can someone sitemail for me
3/14/2023 1:32 PM
sitemails sent to final 3
3/14/2023 2:11 PM
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