The Final Tournament: Round Four Look-Ahead Topic


Seven leagues – each league has two of the original 16 franchises in it (1 N.L. and 1 A.L.) – except for League 7 which has four (2 N.L. and 2 A.L.). Each of your teams will consist of a roster that has one team from each of the six time-frames listed. Beginning in 1903, the time frames are:

1903-1922
1923-1942
1943-1962
1963-1982
1983-2002
2003-2022

For example, you could end up with a Giants team with the squads from 1921, 1934, 1947, 1965, 1989 and 2004. Once you have your six teams, you need to roster at least four from each of the teams you picked. If you pick a Giant team with your first pick, you’re locked into the Giants – there’s no mixing and matching franchises. Same with League 7 – if your first pick is a Phillies team, you must take Phillies choices with your next five picks. Also, with regards to League 7, there doesn’t need to be a 6 by 6 breakdown in either side of the league. If on the A.L. side, nine people want a Browns/Orioles team, leaving only three Senators/Twins picks, that’s fine.



The Top 14 owners in Round Three will get to choose which league they would like to play in. Once they've chosen, the seven individual league draft boards will be set up. The seven league drafts will run in Snake-Style order (i.e., 1-6, 6-1, 1-6, etc.) Alignment will be in "pick" order - therefore, the first four "Giant" spots selected will be the N.L. East - and so on.

As in previous rounds, we'll have a 24-hour window once the draft boards are posted for anyone who would like to explore a trade of their draft spot/position.

Particulars:


CAP – $125M

Clones: None.

Designated Hitter: None

Waiver Wire: No
Injuries – Turned On
Trades: No
A.A.A.: No

You may use either partial or full season stats of any player who had a split season - as long as the stats indicate it was for your franchise.

Stadium – You must use a ballpark that was one of the home ballparks for whatever franchise you’re playing.

Who Moves On?

Once Round FOUR is complete, the owners who own the eight playoff teams in each league will earn a spot in Round FIVE. 8 x 7 = 56 spots. That leaves 40 spots to fill. The final 40 spots will be awarded to the teams who had the most wins across all 7 leagues (who didn't make their league's playoffs). The tie-break (should it come into play) will be (1) Highest Exp. %, and (2) Most Home Wins.

The Leagues are broken up like this:


LEAGUE 1:

Giants
1903-1922:
1923-1942:
1943-1962:
1963-1982:
1983-2002:
2003-2022:

Yankees
1903-1922:
1923-1942:
1943-1962:
1963-1982:
1983-2002:
2003-2022:



LEAGUE 2:

Dodgers
1903-1922:
1923-1942:
1943-1962:
1963-1982:
1983-2002:
2003-2022:

Athletics
1903-1922:
1923-1942:
1943-1962:
1963-1982:
1983-2002:
2003-2022:



LEAGUE 3:

Cardinals
1903-1922:
1923-1942:
1943-1962:
1963-1982:
1983-2002:
2003-2022:

Tigers
1903-1922:
1923-1942:
1943-1962:
1963-1982:
1983-2002:
2003-2022:



LEAGUE 4:

Cubs
1903-1922:
1923-1942:
1943-1962:
1963-1982:
1983-2002:
2003-2022:

White Sox
1903-1922:
1923-1942:
1943-1962:
1963-1982:
1983-2002:
2003-2022:



LEAGUE 5:

Pirates
1903-1922:
1923-1942:
1943-1962:
1963-1982:
1983-2002:
2003-2022:

Indians
1903-1922:
1923-1942:
1943-1962:
1963-1982:
1983-2002:
2003-2022:



LEAGUE 6:

Braves
1903-1922:
1923-1942:
1943-1962:
1963-1982:
1983-2002:
2003-2022:

Red Sox
1903-1922:
1923-1942:
1943-1962:
1963-1982:
1983-2002:
2003-2022:



LEAGUE 7:

Reds
1903-1922:
1923-1942:
1943-1962:
1963-1982:
1983-2002:
2003-2022:

Phillies
1903-1922:
1923-1942:
1943-1962:
1963-1982:
1983-2002:
2003-2022:

Browns/Orioles
1903-1922:
1923-1942:
1943-1962:
1963-1982:
1983-2002:
2003-2022:

Senators/Twins
1903-1922:
1923-1942:
1943-1962:
1963-1982:
1983-2002:
2003-2022:



4/18/2023 11:13 AM (edited)
Will the draft for the 6 picks be a linear draft, rather than the snake like in Round 3?
4/18/2023 9:33 AM
Can more than one owner share a time frame or are they exclusive?
4/18/2023 9:35 AM
Posted by richiebrown6 on 4/18/2023 9:33:00 AM (view original):
Will the draft for the 6 picks be a linear draft, rather than the snake like in Round 3?
Each league draft will run snake-style. I went ahead and added that to the above post.

4/18/2023 11:07 AM
Posted by glowguy on 4/18/2023 9:35:00 AM (view original):
Can more than one owner share a time frame or are they exclusive?

You don't get an exclusive time-frame. Everyone will use a team from each of the six time-frames to build their final roster. Another example: If you end up with a Yankees spot, you could end up with the 1906 Highlanders, the 1924 Yankees, the 1959 Yankees, the 1979 Yankees, the 2000 Yankees and the 2021 Yankees. Pick at least four players from each of those six teams to build your final roster.

4/18/2023 11:09 AM
I can't wait to see what cockamamie system I come up with to research this round...
4/18/2023 1:19 PM
So to make sure I understand this, I will use league 1 as an example... There will be 24 owners in league one. Twelve owners will have to use the Giants and twelve will have to use the Yankees. The person picking first might chose 1927 Yankees. He will be in the AL East. His other five picks from come from the other five groupings but will have to wait until the other 11 owners pick their Yankees team, and then wait some more until they each pick their second team (snake draft). Then the person with the '27 Yanks will pick two more teams for his 2nd and 3rd round picks, etc. until each owners has selected 6 teams.

Basically, each grouping has 20 teams to choose from and only 12 will be selected.

I like this concept. Picking only 4 players per team (one team will have 5), with a 6-round snake draft, with a salary cap will really balance the scales. You really want to spend $50 million on 2 players? Go ahead.
4/18/2023 1:59 PM (edited)
Few questions:

For leagues 1-6, does there have to be 12 teams of each franchise? Or can there be an unequal number (ie. 13 Yankees and 11 Giants teams)?

If it is 12 x 12, are we putting all the franchises in the same league (AL/NL) or is it random?

Why a $125M cap? That's unusual for a juice tourney.
4/18/2023 1:39 PM
thejuice has done salary caps before, although it is rare (I got burned once, when I didn't read the rules closely enough and didn't realize we had a cap until midway through the draft - I was at my son's wedding and drafting via my phone... I couldn't understand why certain teams with expensive studs kept falling to me).

I also like the No DH rule. Finally, pitchers' hitting may come into play and we can get some useful pinch hitters.

thejuice6 will confirm, but based on the alignment rule and his comment on league 7, it seems that there is 12 teams in each league. He does mention that League 7 doesn't need to be 6 owners per team, but implies it's still 12 N.L. and 12 A.L.
4/18/2023 1:57 PM
So if the leagues are aligned by pick order, am I understanding right that basically all the owners with the top picks will be bunched into the first divisions? And it's possible an entire division could be filled by picks 21-24?
4/18/2023 3:42 PM

The reason for the $125M Salary Cap is this: I just wanted to do something different. It seems like 99 percent of the leagues/themes I come up with are "build your best roster" types and not much strategy when putting your team together. $125M seems like a good place to go.

What Jeff said about the "No DH" was exactly my way of thinking. Pitcher's Batting Averages is something else you want to look at when picking your staff.

Also, League 7 is the only league where there isn't a "set" number of teams per league (i.e., you could have nine Browns/Orioles teams and three Senators/Twins teams, etc.). Leagues 1 through 6 will be twelve N.L. teams and 12 A.L. teams.

Red, if I understand what you're asking, the answer is "Yes."


4/18/2023 5:16 PM
Please clarify...

"Also, with regards to League 7, there doesn’t need to be a 6 by 6 breakdown in either side of the league. If on the A.L. side, nine people want a Browns/Orioles team, leaving only three Senators/Twins picks, that’s fine."

Your "9 Browns..Orioles + 3 Senators/Twins" example still shows 12 teams in the A.L.. I think you mean that you want to keep 12 N.L. and 12 A.L. (just no requirement for 6 occurrences for each franchise). Otherwise, how will division alignment work in league 7 if you allow 9 Reds, 5 Phillies, 7 Orioles, 3 Twins?
4/18/2023 5:31 PM
Posted by redcped on 4/18/2023 3:42:00 PM (view original):
So if the leagues are aligned by pick order, am I understanding right that basically all the owners with the top picks will be bunched into the first divisions? And it's possible an entire division could be filled by picks 21-24?
I'm going to start tanking so I can avoid barracuda's divisions.



(Actually, my teams are somewhat tanking without trying.... I'm barely above .500 in aggregate).
4/18/2023 5:33 PM
Posted by schwarze on 4/18/2023 5:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by redcped on 4/18/2023 3:42:00 PM (view original):
So if the leagues are aligned by pick order, am I understanding right that basically all the owners with the top picks will be bunched into the first divisions? And it's possible an entire division could be filled by picks 21-24?
I'm going to start tanking so I can avoid barracuda's divisions.



(Actually, my teams are somewhat tanking without trying.... I'm barely above .500 in aggregate).
Yup, 4 of my 9 teams are under .500. A few of them are self-tanking lately.
4/18/2023 5:51 PM
Posted by schwarze on 4/18/2023 5:32:00 PM (view original):
Please clarify...

"Also, with regards to League 7, there doesn’t need to be a 6 by 6 breakdown in either side of the league. If on the A.L. side, nine people want a Browns/Orioles team, leaving only three Senators/Twins picks, that’s fine."

Your "9 Browns..Orioles + 3 Senators/Twins" example still shows 12 teams in the A.L.. I think you mean that you want to keep 12 N.L. and 12 A.L. (just no requirement for 6 occurrences for each franchise). Otherwise, how will division alignment work in league 7 if you allow 9 Reds, 5 Phillies, 7 Orioles, 3 Twins?

Forgive my lack of clarity in stating this. In League 7, you'll have 12 N.L. teams and 12 A.L. teams - just like Leagues 1 through 6. In League 7, for the 12 N.L. teams, you can choose either a Phillies squad or a Reds squad. If 9 of the twelve owners who end up in the N.L. want a Phillies team, leaving only 3 owners with a Reds team, that's fine. Alignment will still be in the order they're chosen. The N.L. East could end up with three Phillies teams and one Reds team. The N.L. Central and the N.L. West could look the same. It will still be 12 N.L. teams. When I previously mentioned the 6 by 6 breakdown, I was referring to having 6 Phillies teams and 6 Reds teams. It doesn't have to be that way.

In this example, the Phillies and Reds will have separate draft threads for them to complete the snake-style portion of the draft.


4/18/2023 6:02 PM
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