Another question. If a free agent played on two different teams in the same year, can both versions be drafted (assuming neither of those two teams are among the list of team to be drafted)?

Example:
1949-50 Red Sox take '50 Jim Hearn (Giants) as their pitching free agent
Can the 1949-50 Yankees take the Cardinals version of '50 Jim Hearn?

Posted by schwarze on 7/23/2023 10:09:00 AM (view original):
Another question. If a free agent played on two different teams in the same year, can both versions be drafted (assuming neither of those two teams are among the list of team to be drafted)?

Example:
1949-50 Red Sox take '50 Jim Hearn (Giants) as their pitching free agent
Can the 1949-50 Yankees take the Cardinals version of '50 Jim Hearn?

We should rephrase the question:

Do two owners get to complain about 1950 Jim Hearn's underperformance, or only one?

I can see it now.... it's the '49-50 Red Sox at the '49-50 Yankees... game #162. The teams are tied for the division lead. The starters are out of the game. Yankees have a 7-4 lead with Jim Hearn coming into the game to pitch the 9th. Red Sox score 6 runs to take a 10-7 lead. I don't have to tell you what's going to happen in the bottom of the 9th when the other Jim Hearn enters the game. Final score Yankees win 11-10, with '50 Jim Hearn getting the win and '50 Jim Hearn taking the loss.

Posted by schwarze on 7/23/2023 2:16:00 PM (view original):
I can see it now.... it's the '49-50 Red Sox at the '49-50 Yankees... game #162. The teams are tied for the division lead. The starters are out of the game. Yankees have a 7-4 lead with Jim Hearn coming into the game to pitch the 9th. Red Sox score 6 runs to take a 10-7 lead. I don't have to tell you what's going to happen in the bottom of the 9th when the other Jim Hearn enters the game. Final score Yankees win 11-10, with '50 Jim Hearn getting the win and '50 Jim Hearn taking the loss.

It is known.

Posted by schwarze on 7/23/2023 10:09:00 AM (view original):
Another question. If a free agent played on two different teams in the same year, can both versions be drafted (assuming neither of those two teams are among the list of team to be drafted)?

Example:
1949-50 Red Sox take '50 Jim Hearn (Giants) as their pitching free agent
Can the 1949-50 Yankees take the Cardinals version of '50 Jim Hearn?

I started out thinking that in the "Jim Hearn" case that one person could draft the partial season he had with the Cardinals and another person could draft the partial season he had with the Giants - and noone would be able to draft the "entire season" Jim Hearn.

Then I got to thinking...

I'm getting lazy in my old age and really don't feel like going through every roster and verifying partial seasons for the correct teams, and yada, yada, yada...

I'll say that two different owners can each draft Jim Hearn with one showing up as a Cardinal and one showing up as a Giant - and I won't care if it's a partial season or an entire season choice.

Man-Law

That's what I figured, but wanted to confirm.

I've built all the rosters for leagues 1 thru 3 and am partially thru league 4. I'm really getting tired of building Yankees teams. If my count is right, Yankees have 38 total teams, of which 30 are in league 2-3.

Since thejuice6 is having a tough round 4, barracuda3, footballmm11, toysboys and myself will each donate one of our round 5 spots to juice so he can have one team in each league. (Thru 124 games, we each have at least 10 teams advancing, so giving up one spot isn't a big deal).

Whew...

I finally got all 160+ rosters built. Some of the teams are unplayable, even with the free agents. And for some teams, the free agent options are less than spectacular. And trying to predict which free agents will get taken is problematic for groupings with multiple choices since it's unknown the order in which the teams will be taken. But as least I have a starting point. And I can always switch free agents on the fly once they are known and recalculate my rankings.

Picking early certainly has an advantage, just because the best teams don't have many holes and even if you pick a team that you cannot guarantee your free agent, you may have multiple equal options. Picking late does have one advantage - that is you may be able to lock in your free agent on a years combo that has multiple choices. Also, you have more knowledge of the divisions and may possibly be able to put yourself in a division that aligns with your team's strengths.

For those who have a shot at a "Top 8" draft pick, I wouldn't wait until the last minute to start your research. It is a bit time consuming.

Looking forward to the draft in two weeks.

Posted by schwarze on 7/28/2023 11:53:00 AM (view original):
Whew...

I finally got all 160+ rosters built. Some of the teams are unplayable, even with the free agents. And for some teams, the free agent options are less than spectacular. And trying to predict which free agents will get taken is problematic for groupings with multiple choices since it's unknown the order in which the teams will be taken. But as least I have a starting point. And I can always switch free agents on the fly once they are known and recalculate my rankings.

Picking early certainly has an advantage, just because the best teams don't have many holes and even if you pick a team that you cannot guarantee your free agent, you may have multiple equal options. Picking late does have one advantage - that is you may be able to lock in your free agent on a years combo that has multiple choices. Also, you have more knowledge of the divisions and may possibly be able to put yourself in a division that aligns with your team's strengths.

For those who have a shot at a "Top 8" draft pick, I wouldn't wait until the last minute to start your research. It is a bit time consuming.

Looking forward to the draft in two weeks.

I've been devoting my spare time to Round 2 WISC rosters. Someone made a couple of those themes a bit research-heavy, too.

Good point about WIS round 2. I had (mostly) built all my teams (and since saved them to a spreadsheet in order to work on juice's round 5 rosters). But this extra time allows me to tinker a bit.

Actually, who am I kidding? I doubt I will make any changes to most of my completed rosters, but it does give me time to build more $110M rosters since I haven't decided which team I am using yet. I am really enjoying this build. I have over a dozen teams that I feel good about.

Posted by schwarze on 7/27/2023 10:12:00 AM (view original):
Since thejuice6 is having a tough round 4, barracuda3, footballmm11, toysboys and myself will each donate one of our round 5 spots to juice so he can have one team in each league. (Thru 124 games, we each have at least 10 teams advancing, so giving up one spot isn't a big deal).

Thanks guys - words cannot express my gratitude. I've never been even close to a good builder of teams in WIS but, for the most part, (using the old blind squirrel finding a nut analogy) I can usually get enough done to make it to the next round. This has been the absolute worst experience I've ever had in a tournament. Right now, out of seven teams, my "best" team is 12 games under .500. It's just pathetic...

From the original post, it seems as if alignment will be based on which division you sign up for and it's not chronological (or random).

I (and others) will have more than one team in the same league so there may be an inherent advantage in drafting more than one team in the same grouping to avoid a "screw your neighbor". So even if my teams are in separate leagues and separate divisions, they could be from the same grouping. Are there any rules on this?

Correct - alignment will be base on which division you sign up for.

As far as the second item: Unless there's an issue there that I'm just not seeing, I don't have a problem with the same owner drafting more than one team from the same grouping (i.e., 1907-1908 Cubs and 1907-1908 Giants, etc.). I mean, if noone else wants to choose a team from that two-year timeframe, why can't the same guy choose it twice? If there's something I'm not seeing that's an obvious advantage or disadvantage for someone, let me know and we'll rectify the problem.

I also don't see why this should be an issue. If somebody is taking a less desirable team in a 2-year group "just" to screw somebody else by picking the most desirable free agents (and potentially lose 90+ games with this less desirable team), I don't see why one person can't take a second team from the same 2-year grouping to prohibit somebody else from screwing them. It's essentially the same as sacrificing one of their spots to help their other team potentially survive to the next round.

I would think that those teams "on the bubble" would be more than glad if people basically made a selection that is almost certainly not going to perform well.