Round 5, Post Draft - Commentary Topic

If your predictions are right, all 5 of my teams are going to advance. So now it’s on me not to blow it.
8/16/2023 11:25 AM
I've heard that posting your writeups increase your teams' chances of advancing.

8/16/2023 12:07 PM
Posted by schwarze on 8/16/2023 12:07:00 PM (view original):
I've heard that posting your writeups increase your teams' chances of advancing.

Might not have time to do more than a quick one tonight.
8/16/2023 12:16 PM
I went strictly off of my numbers for my projected playoff (and advancing teams). In some cases, I don't even believe some of the numbers. For most of the division winner projections, the best team was far and away the best team. In only a few instances do I think the division races will be close.

The wildcard race and the "others advancing" teams are very tightly packed and I could see me being wrong on quite a number of these predictions. Heck, I don't even believe some of my teams listed as "others advancing" are that good.

It will be fun to see how it all plays out.

Waiting for opening day in a tournament like this is like waiting for Christmas morning as a kid... The anticipation of opening the exact gift you wanted is equivalent to that opening set of games and going 9-4. Of course, when my 13 teams start off the season 5-8, it will feel like opening a pack of socks.
8/16/2023 12:30 PM
Here is my selection process and predictions. We are fairly deep into the tournament at this point and I generally had middle-of-the-pack picks. Each round is tougher than the last. So realistically, I can expect .500 ball in this round. And after assessing my teams, my best teams are in league 4 (where I forgot there was a DH until I had to pick a FA). So I'm really not expecting much. I'd consider it an accomplishment if I can get 5 out of 9 teams into the next round.

League 1

1905-1906 Chicago Cubs
Pick # 11
All teams were flawed as I felt there was a drop-off and a plateau of available teams that were relatively equal. You could pick great pitching and bad hitting or good hitting but bad pitching. I really did look at every team. I strongly considered the 1919-1920 White Sox (which were picked by ejstockman at #12), but then that'd just open the door for someone else to take the 19-20 Indians and Babe Ruth with them. I went with the 05-06 Cubs because even they had the strongest total pitching staff and a couple good hitters in Chance and Steinfeldt. Also, the 05-06 Giants were good (taken by schwarze at #15) but the 05-06 Pirates and White Sox were weaker choices and I thought there was a decent chance they would be not picked, which turned out to be the case. Free agents are Tully Sparks and Cy Seymour which is a big drop off from schwarze's Cy Young and Nap Lajoie. This is a case where team that picked after me is better because they had better free-agents. While I have a great pitching staff that will keep me in games, my hitting should be near the bottom in runs scored.

Prediction - 82 wins

1912-1913 Philadelphia Athletics
Pick # 16
Well if I went for pitching on my first pick, i'll go for hitting on my 2nd pick. This one also came with 1912 Walter Johnson since the 12-13 Giants were selected by kstober at #8. Frank Baker and Eddie Collins in their primes make this a good offensive team. But they're pretty good defensively for a Round 1 team as well. The pitching is interesting in that there is no true ace, but a lot of guys in the 120 ERC+ area all the way through 1400 innings. So while that's not good, some of the other teams may have better quality at the top but the bullpen may consist of 100 ERC+ guys who will get in significant innings. But really, this wouldn't be doable without the free agents, which I also took 1912 Tris Speaker. Hitting and defense will keep me in games, but when Johnson is not pitching, it will be rough.

Prediction - 81 wins
8/16/2023 5:27 PM
Posted by schwarze on 8/16/2023 12:31:00 PM (view original):
I went strictly off of my numbers for my projected playoff (and advancing teams). In some cases, I don't even believe some of the numbers. For most of the division winner projections, the best team was far and away the best team. In only a few instances do I think the division races will be close.

The wildcard race and the "others advancing" teams are very tightly packed and I could see me being wrong on quite a number of these predictions. Heck, I don't even believe some of my teams listed as "others advancing" are that good.

It will be fun to see how it all plays out.

Waiting for opening day in a tournament like this is like waiting for Christmas morning as a kid... The anticipation of opening the exact gift you wanted is equivalent to that opening set of games and going 9-4. Of course, when my 13 teams start off the season 5-8, it will feel like opening a pack of socks.
Both schwarze and my system agree on 34 of the 48 teams to advance, but plenty of areas with different opinions. League 4 we agreed on 11 out of 12! But only 7-8 in each of the other leagues. Agree with schwarze that most teams are very tightly packed so should be a fun round to see play out.

PREDICTIONS SUMMARY
owner div lg# pick# fran syr fballmm11 schwarze
pedrocerrano 1:NLE 1 1 PIT 1901 DIV W DIV W
schwarze 4:ALE 1 2 PIT 1902 ADVANCE DIV W
footballmm11 6:ALW 1 3 OAK 1910 DIV W DIV W
redcped 3:NLW 1 4 OAK 1909 DIV W DIV W
richiebrown6 5:ALC 1 5 BOS 1914 ADVANCE
pedrocerrano 5:ALC 1 6 SFG 1904 DIV W
footballmm11 2:NLC 1 7 CHC 1909 DIV W DIV W
kstober 2:NLC 1 8 SFG 1912 ADVANCE
barracuda3 2:NLC 1 9 PIT 1908
ybjsports 6:ALW 1 10 CHC 1908 WC
toysboys 3:NLW 1 11 CHC 1905
ejstockman 2:NLC 1 12 CHW 1919 ADVANCE
beallendall 4:ALE 1 13 CHC 1906
redcped 5:ALC 1 14 CLE 1919 DIV W ADVANCE
schwarze 1:NLE 1 15 SFG 1905 ADVANCE
toysboys 4:ALE 1 16 OAK 1912 DIV W ADVANCE
barracuda3 4:ALE 1 17 SFG 1903
footballmm11 5:ALC 1 18 SFG 1910
schwarze 6:ALW 1 19 OAK 1913
emanes10 3:NLW 1 20 OAK 1911
ronthegenius 3:NLW 1 21 PHI 1915
calhoop 1:NLE 1 22 SFG 1908 ADVANCE
thejuice6 6:ALW 1 23 SFG 1911 ADVANCE
joerat1 1:NLE 1 24 CHC 1911 ADVANCE WC
schwarze 1:NLE 2 1 NYY 1926 DIV W DIV W
steveizzy 4:ALE 2 2 NYY 1942 ADVANCE
pedrocerrano 6:ALW 2 3 NYY 1927 DIV W DIV W
footballmm11 3:NLW 2 4 NYY 1921 DIV W DIV W
redcped 5:ALC 2 5 STL 1942 DIV W DIV W
barracuda3 2:NLC 2 6 STL 1943 DIV W
toysboys 4:ALE 2 7 NYY 1937 ADVANCE ADVANCE
footballmm11 4:ALE 2 8 NYY 1936 DIV W DIV W
pedrocerrano 3:NLW 2 9 OAK 1928
kstober 2:NLC 2 10 NYY 1938 DIV W WC
nocomm999 5:ALC 2 11 OAK 1929
schwarze 6:ALW 2 12 STL 1944
toysboys 3:NLW 2 13 NYY 1935 ADVANCE
barracuda3 5:ALC 2 14 NYY 1931 ADVANCE
3dayrotation 2:NLC 2 15 MIN 1924 ADVANCE
njbigwig 4:ALE 2 16 CIN 1939
schwarze 3:NLW 2 17 SFG 1927 ADVANCE
toysboys 1:NLE 2 18 STL 1941
thejuice6 2:NLC 2 19 NYY 1941 ADVANCE
schwarze 5:ALC 2 20 LAD 1941 WC
calhoop 1:NLE 2 21 OAK 1930
glowguy 6:ALW 2 22 CHC 1928
beallendall 6:ALW 2 23 OAK 1931 ADVANCE
dougsdawgs13 1:NLE 2 24 SFG 1923 ADVANCE
kstober 6:ALW 3 1 BAL 1969 DIV W DIV W
emanes10 1:NLE 3 2 STL 1967 ADVANCE
barracuda3 2:NLC 3 3 NYY 1961 ADVANCE DIV W
pedrocerrano 4:ALE 3 4 CLE 1953 DIV W DIV W
footballmm11 5:ALC 3 5 BOS 1948 DIV W
spinaldog 3:NLW 3 6 CIN 1973
schwarze 3:NLW 3 7 NYY 1960 ADVANCE DIV W
redcped 5:ALC 3 8 OAK 1971 ADVANCE DIV W
toysboys 1:NLE 3 9 NYY 1957 DIV W
barracuda3 5:ALC 3 10 MIN 1969 ADVANCE
pedrocerrano 1:NLE 3 11 LAD 1952 DIV W
footballmm11 3:NLW 3 12 ATL 1957 DIV W ADVANCE
toysboys 4:ALE 3 13 LAD 1955 ADVANCE
schwarze 6:ALW 3 14 CIN 1972 ADVANCE
steveizzy 1:NLE 3 15 LAD 1973
glowguy 2:NLC 3 16 CIN 1961
nordawg 4:ALE 3 17 NYY 1955 ADVANCE WC
thejuice6 4:ALE 3 18 NYY 1962
schwarze 2:NLC 3 19 LAD 1953 ADVANCE WC
ybjsports 6:ALW 3 20 NYY 1947
84champs 6:ALW 3 21 BAL 1970
ronthegenius 3:NLW 3 22 CLE 1952 ADVANCE
urband 2:NLC 3 23 NYY 1956 DIV W
darthdurron 5:ALC 3 24 NYY 1963
footballmm11 1:NLE 4 1 LAD 2020 DIV W DIV W
footballmm11 4:ALE 4 2 LAD 2021 DIV W DIV W
ybjsports 6:ALW 4 3 CIN 1975 ADVANCE
kstober 3:NLW 4 4 HOU 2018 DIV W DIV W
pedrocerrano 5:ALC 4 5 LAD 2019 DIV W DIV W
barracuda3 2:NLC 4 6 ATL 1996 ADVANCE ADVANCE
redcped 2:NLC 4 7 ATL 1997 DIV W DIV W
beallendall 6:ALW 4 8 CHC 2015 DIV W WC
schwarze 3:NLW 4 9 STL 2004 ADVANCE WC
barracuda3 6:ALW 4 10 HOU 2017 ADVANCE
chisock 4:ALE 4 11 PHI 2010
toysboys 5:ALC 4 12 ATL 1998 ADVANCE ADVANCE
nocomm999 2:NLC 4 13 ATL 1995
footballmm11 6:ALW 4 14 ATL 2003 ADVANCE DIV W
schwarze 2:NLC 4 15 ATL 2002 ADVANCE ADVANCE
toysboys 1:NLE 4 16 NYY 2003
ronthegenius 3:NLW 4 17 NYY 1997
taxman2008 5:ALC 4 18 NYM 1985
glowguy 5:ALC 4 19 CLE 1995
schwarze 4:ALE 4 20 SFG 2002
thejuice6 4:ALE 4 21 HOU 1998
pedrocerrano 3:NLW 4 22 ATL 1993
barracuda3 1:NLE 4 23 OAK 2001
bill_james47 1:NLE 4 24 OAK 1989
8/16/2023 5:50 PM
League 2

1937-1938 New York Yankees
Pick #7

I don't want to be a risk-taker and not know who my FA are, so this team seemed like a solid choice. I have four sluggers in Dimaggio, Gehrig, Dickey and FA Medwick. Everyone else is average. On the pitching side, Gomez and Ruffing are good-not-great and FA Jim Turner will be my ace. Bottom of the rotation is not so great with Chandler and Hadley battling it out. Bullpen is another area of concern with Ivy Andrews leading with his 1.39 whip. Murphy and Pearson have 1.44-1.45 whips and will see significant playing time.

Prediction - 83 wins

1937-1938 New York Yankees
Pick # 13

This is one of the last teams available that had no FA competition. Free agents are 1935 Arky Vaughn and 1936 Carl Hubbell. Hitting on this team is very good with Dimaggio, Gehrig and Bill Dickey. Pitching is otherwise average with Gomez and Ruffing but tends to get a weak beyond that. So my #4 starter has a 1.46 whip and my setup has a 1.24 whip, but the rest of the pen is 1.38-1.51 whips. What I don't like about this team is that it's very similar to my other team which makes it less fun for me. It's also a weaker version of that team. I really don't see this as anything but an average team.

Prediction - 80 wins

1941-1942 St Louis Cardinals
Pick # 18

At this point I didn't want to take another Yankees squad. I didn't care if they were a better choice. Yes I want to win, but I also want to have fun so I didn't even consider any of the other ones that were available. This is a low pick anyways, so I may as well have fun with it. I figured this squad was different enough. They had good hitting, good defense and good pitching. But other than Mort Cooper, they aren't great at anything. Add on that they were in a pack of three teams fighting for a FA and none of the teams were chosen at this point, made this a dubious choice. The other 41-42 teams were good too and I had opened pandora's box. The other 41-42 teams were selected by thejuice6 at #19 and schwarze with #20. Schwarze will have a stronger team than mine because of Ted Williams My free agents are on the weaker side with 41 Thornton Lee and 41 Cecil Travis.

Prediction - 78 wins
8/16/2023 5:55 PM
League 3

1957-1958 New York Yankees
Pick # 9

I screwed up. I compared this team to the others. And yes, this team does have the best hitting and pitching combination that I could find out there. Mantle in his prime, Berra, McDougald, Ford, Turley and a solid bullpen. There is a lot of like on this team. Here's the screw-up, I really didn't pay much attention to the FA as I should have. And it would have been easy as this is a grouping of 2 and the 57-58 Braves are a solid team who were selected at # 12 and promptly took Williams and Sullivan. There is big drop-off after that. So my FA are Nellie Fox and and Billy Pierce....yuk. Pierce actually has the highest ERA on my pitching staff (2.01, 2.54, 2.71 & 3.26). Nellie Fox has an OPS of 115+.

Prediction - 80 wins

1955-1956 Brooklyn Dodgers
Pick # 13

I've always liked this team in other juice leagues. They have a great lineup 1-8. Even 1-9 if you have the 55 version of Newcombe (which I do in Round 4 and are currently in the World Series). I did seriously consider rostering the 55 Newcombe over the 56 version since there is no DH, but ultimately decided to go for the pitching over hitting. Newcome and Maglie are solid 1-2, but it gets very weak after that. FA Score will help make it a solid 1-3 and the rest of my bullpen is OK. SS Ernie Banks is not a great choice as a FA, but he's the best I could do. I think this is actually a better team that my other Rd 3 team.

Prediction - 82 wins
8/16/2023 6:11 PM
Thanks for posting.
8/16/2023 6:25 PM
League 4

1998-1999 Atlanta Braves
Pick # 12

I am most optimstic about this team compared to my others. I was very happy they lasted this long. Maddux and Millwood are 200 ERC+ and Glavine and Smoltz are also very good. Throw in FA Clemens and that is a 1-5 rotation that can beat anyone. Offensively, Chipper, Galarraga and catching platoon Lopez/Perez will smash the ball. I had forgotten about the DH in this league, so when 98 McGwire was available to me, that was the icing on the cake. The downsides are holes in the OF, 2B, SS and the bullpen. Also the ambiguity of FA choices probably are the reason why they dropped to #12.

Prediction - 86 wins

2003-2004 New York Yankees
Pick # 16

I can't expect much with a low-mid pick but sometimes there is an advantage as there was with my pick. I had been looking at the 03-04 group between the Yankees and Braves. Both were not compelling picks because the only reason to take one of these teams was to take 04 Bonds as your FA. And if you weren't sure you were getting him, there were better choices. FootballMM11 took the 03-04 Braves at #14 and schwarze passed on them with the 02-03 Braves at #15 so this made my pick very easy. The Yankees hitters are all good but not-great 110-120 OPS+ guys. There are no standouts but also no holes either. Mussina is a solid ace, but the SP is very thin after that with aging veterans Clemens, Pettite and Kevin Brown. FA Randy Johnson helps out a lot here. Bullpen features standouts Tom Gordon and Mariano Rivera with the rest being below average.

Prediction - 84 wins
8/16/2023 6:35 PM (edited)
Posted by schwarze on 8/16/2023 6:25:00 PM (view original):
Thanks for posting.
I was told my teams would do better if I did.
8/16/2023 6:30 PM
League #1 differences (between me and footballmm11)

We have 4 differences of teams advancing. Three of the differences are very close and could go either way. But one is way off.

Details.

I have these two NL teams...
1905-06 Giants (schwarze) +0.1 (std better than league avg)
1908-09 Giants (calhoop) +0.1

... barely ahead of these two teams, which you have advancing.
1914-15 Red Sox (richiebrown6) -0.1
1912-13 Giants (kstober) -0.2

My numbers are so close, I could see any of these 4 teams advancing.

Also, you have thejuice6 advancing and my numbers show that his team (+0.1) is actually equivalent to the two NL teams I have as "others advancing", but he was just a hair below the sixth ranked team in the AL. So he could easily be the 7th AL team to advance (vs 5 NL teams).

The one team we are way off on is pedrocerrano's 1904-05 Giants team. I have him as clearly the best team in the AL Central (at +0.7), ahead of redcped's 1919-20 Indians (+0.2). You don't even have him advancing.
8/16/2023 7:57 PM
Posted by schwarze on 8/16/2023 7:58:00 PM (view original):
League #1 differences (between me and footballmm11)

We have 4 differences of teams advancing. Three of the differences are very close and could go either way. But one is way off.

Details.

I have these two NL teams...
1905-06 Giants (schwarze) +0.1 (std better than league avg)
1908-09 Giants (calhoop) +0.1

... barely ahead of these two teams, which you have advancing.
1914-15 Red Sox (richiebrown6) -0.1
1912-13 Giants (kstober) -0.2

My numbers are so close, I could see any of these 4 teams advancing.

Also, you have thejuice6 advancing and my numbers show that his team (+0.1) is actually equivalent to the two NL teams I have as "others advancing", but he was just a hair below the sixth ranked team in the AL. So he could easily be the 7th AL team to advance (vs 5 NL teams).

The one team we are way off on is pedrocerrano's 1904-05 Giants team. I have him as clearly the best team in the AL Central (at +0.7), ahead of redcped's 1919-20 Indians (+0.2). You don't even have him advancing.
I do have pedro's 04-05 Giants as the 7th-best team in the AL, just barely behind the juice6, so they are very close. But I have both 19-20 Indians and 14-15 Red Sox moderately ahead in the division.

The biggest gap the other way is calhoop's 08-09 Giants. You have them advancing, but I have them 12th in the NL, mostly because I have their offense 2nd-worst in League 1 (behind 08-09 Cubs). Otherwise, I have all of your advancing teams in my top 7 in the NL (with your 05-06 Giants just a hair behind the 19-20 White Sox).


8/16/2023 8:10 PM
League #2 Differences

We have five of the six divisions with the same winner. We have 2 other teams both advancing. But we are off on 5 other advancers.

The division winner we don't agree on is in the NL Central. You have kstober's 1938-39 Yankees team winning, but I have their score (+0.4) good enough for a wildcard spot, but significantly behind barracuda3's 1943-44 Cardinals team (+1.2). I have that team as the 4th best team in League 2 while you don't have them advancing. One of us will have egg on our face on this one.

The other teams I have advancing (that you don't include)...
41-42 Dodgers (schwarze) +0.5
41-42 Yankees (thejuice6) +0.3
42-43 Yankees (steveizzy) +0.2
27-28 Giants (schwarze) -0.2

The five teams you have advancing that I don't include...

31-32 Athletics (beallendall) -0.4
35-36 Yankees (toysboys) -0.4
31-32 Yankees (barracuda3) -0.8
23-24 Giants (dougsdawgs) -1.1
24-25 Senators (3dayrotation) -1.3

I can concede the first two on your list could outperform some of the teams on my list. But I'm not really that close on last three on your list. We shall see in about 55 days.
8/16/2023 8:30 PM (edited)
Posted by footballmm11 on 8/16/2023 8:10:00 PM (view original):
Posted by schwarze on 8/16/2023 7:58:00 PM (view original):
League #1 differences (between me and footballmm11)

We have 4 differences of teams advancing. Three of the differences are very close and could go either way. But one is way off.

Details.

I have these two NL teams...
1905-06 Giants (schwarze) +0.1 (std better than league avg)
1908-09 Giants (calhoop) +0.1

... barely ahead of these two teams, which you have advancing.
1914-15 Red Sox (richiebrown6) -0.1
1912-13 Giants (kstober) -0.2

My numbers are so close, I could see any of these 4 teams advancing.

Also, you have thejuice6 advancing and my numbers show that his team (+0.1) is actually equivalent to the two NL teams I have as "others advancing", but he was just a hair below the sixth ranked team in the AL. So he could easily be the 7th AL team to advance (vs 5 NL teams).

The one team we are way off on is pedrocerrano's 1904-05 Giants team. I have him as clearly the best team in the AL Central (at +0.7), ahead of redcped's 1919-20 Indians (+0.2). You don't even have him advancing.
I do have pedro's 04-05 Giants as the 7th-best team in the AL, just barely behind the juice6, so they are very close. But I have both 19-20 Indians and 14-15 Red Sox moderately ahead in the division.

The biggest gap the other way is calhoop's 08-09 Giants. You have them advancing, but I have them 12th in the NL, mostly because I have their offense 2nd-worst in League 1 (behind 08-09 Cubs). Otherwise, I have all of your advancing teams in my top 7 in the NL (with your 05-06 Giants just a hair behind the 19-20 White Sox).


That's interesting. My numbers show calhoop's team to be a slightly above average offensively, especially considering the normalization of the 1908-09 players.

My usage-weighted batting totals shows calhoop's team with the following numbers.
.314 avg#, .394 obp#, .425 slg#, .819 ops#, 125 ops+
League average
.310 avg#, .381 obp#, .449 slg#, .830 ops#, 122 ops+

Better than league average in AVG#, OBP# and OPS+, worse than average in SLG# and OPS#

How you weight these measures may vary, but I have them far from the 2nd worst offense in the league.

But these differences is what makes these drafts fun.
8/16/2023 8:28 PM
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