Posted by Midge on 9/5/2023 12:18:00 PM (view original):
This probably won’t be liked, but the lack of minutes in a single season just to field a team makes me wonder if instead of just drafting from the newest season we should draft from the newest two seasons. Next year we could draft from 22-23 and 23-24, the following year it would be 23-24 and 24-25 and so on. I’m not thrilled with the idea, but I’m also not thrilled with drafting Jabari Smith.

I think when we did 2122, iirc, we drafted 15 players and you could swap guys in and out off of the IR.

Maybe if we did the two season draft we could make it that at least 10 players must be from the latest season and we could take up to two players from the season before.

I can see the shortage of quality minutes possibly leading to massive tanking in the playoffs.

Posted by 24kpyrite on 9/5/2023 12:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by PBandJ on 9/5/2023 12:02:00 PM (view original):
I complained some the last two rounds after drafting 24th, 12th, and 16th. Finally getting to pick in a top spot was a good change. At that, my ADP is still 13.25. There could be a more equitable way to make draft positions set, but I should have looked at this before. I think everyone is going to have the same trouble with minutes in this league so I am not certain there are huge advantages, especially with the reverse picking order in round three.

Average pick time could be good determining factor for pick order

Let's not get crazy here. This feels like a personal hit. LMAO

Posted by robusk on 9/5/2023 12:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Midge on 9/5/2023 12:18:00 PM (view original):
This probably won’t be liked, but the lack of minutes in a single season just to field a team makes me wonder if instead of just drafting from the newest season we should draft from the newest two seasons. Next year we could draft from 22-23 and 23-24, the following year it would be 23-24 and 24-25 and so on. I’m not thrilled with the idea, but I’m also not thrilled with drafting Jabari Smith.

I think when we did 2122, iirc, we drafted 15 players and you could swap guys in and out off of the IR.

If I remember correctly, there were still usable players late in that draft.

I'm guessing I have the most minutes drafted and I have NO minutes at SF drafted...

What are you all going to do?

Posted by jhsukow on 9/5/2023 3:33:00 PM (view original):
I'm guessing I have the most minutes drafted and I have NO minutes at SF drafted...

What are you all going to do?

I’m going to play 5 on 4 against you.

Posted by Midge on 9/5/2023 2:30:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 9/5/2023 12:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Midge on 9/5/2023 12:18:00 PM (view original):
This probably won’t be liked, but the lack of minutes in a single season just to field a team makes me wonder if instead of just drafting from the newest season we should draft from the newest two seasons. Next year we could draft from 22-23 and 23-24, the following year it would be 23-24 and 24-25 and so on. I’m not thrilled with the idea, but I’m also not thrilled with drafting Jabari Smith.

I think when we did 2122, iirc, we drafted 15 players and you could swap guys in and out off of the IR.

If I remember correctly, there were still usable players late in that draft.

I think I barely got to the 19600 with the 15.

But we aren't getting 15 players in this league, correct?

Posted by berkelon on 9/5/2023 5:45:00 PM (view original):
But we aren't getting 15 players in this league, correct?

No but we can reuse the bottom six in this league so it’s less necessary.

You mean because we all get to fill our final 5 roster spots from the pool of undrafted players (some of whom will be high minute players), rather than having a 15 round draft, which would gut the pool of high minute players?

Posted by berkelon on 9/5/2023 5:55:00 PM (view original):
You mean because we all get to fill our final 5 roster spots from the pool of undrafted players (some of whom will be high minute players), rather than having a 15 round draft, which would gut the pool of high minute players?

Yeah

this draft would have been fine if we just eliminated the double round and did 7...getting the top players and also starting the double round off with the player pool drying up fast is ridiculous...my own fault for not realizing earlier and protesting it when i had the chance

i thought it balanced out nicely after the 3rd tho...id like to keep it abbabab next season assuming the player pool remains similar

Pex posted this in the league chat re: tanking games:
"that is how rules get made. when it is untenable to our community, then we agree as a community to disallow it. and agree on a penalty for violation. we don't have to rely on WIS to plug these loopholes in the SIM, which isn't perfect and never will be. I'm not a fan of mass resting myself to game the game, but I think an argument could be made that resting is part of the game IRL. despite the fact that sitting all 5 starters for an entire playoffs game has never happened in the history of the NBA. and then it has to be regulated. by who? the commish going to establish a rest committee that's going to check rest stats for each team every night? if the oversight isn't manageable then it can't be implemented successfully. and we can't very well just mob one guy when we spot it. that's not fair either. that would need to get voted on by a majority, and this isn't the place to do that. if it were me trying to get a rule change, then I would bring it up in the forum chat for the next league (after the draft is over). See if you can't get a healthy discussion from both sides and then post a poll to see what the majority decides. It's not obvious this should happen though. Resting does happen IRL and as we are striving for a realistic basketball simulation, who decides how much is acceptable?"

Pex is right, how do we determine what is fair, do we have some committee, do we comb through every box score, what is reasonable? There is really no way to ban it that is manageable or consistent. You should be able to rest guys here and there do combat fatigue. Tanking games, especially playoff games is stupid but crafting a rule to combat it without so much red tape is pretty exhaustive. So, I came up with this idea that I think generally solves the problem somewhat.

In the NBA, coaches are required to list players on the injury report prior to the game. So, if you are going to rest players in any game, you must post which players you are going to rest X (TBD) hours prior to the game cycle time in the league chat.

This allow coaches to continue to rest whenever they see fit. This allows opposing coaches to make lineup adjustments if they want because they don't necessarily need to run out their best players max minutes when they other teams best players aren't available. I think this is in very fair spirit of the game. In RL, nobody would have zero knowledge if a player wasn't going to play and wouldn't play their stars tons of minutes in an 80 point blowout. However, this does allow coaches the ability to rest. This does require opposing coaches to make sure they check the league chat a couple hours before tip off, a fair enough ask especially for a playoff game.

Thoughts?

Posted by robusk on 9/6/2023 1:14:00 PM (view original):
Pex posted this in the league chat re: tanking games:
"that is how rules get made. when it is untenable to our community, then we agree as a community to disallow it. and agree on a penalty for violation. we don't have to rely on WIS to plug these loopholes in the SIM, which isn't perfect and never will be. I'm not a fan of mass resting myself to game the game, but I think an argument could be made that resting is part of the game IRL. despite the fact that sitting all 5 starters for an entire playoffs game has never happened in the history of the NBA. and then it has to be regulated. by who? the commish going to establish a rest committee that's going to check rest stats for each team every night? if the oversight isn't manageable then it can't be implemented successfully. and we can't very well just mob one guy when we spot it. that's not fair either. that would need to get voted on by a majority, and this isn't the place to do that. if it were me trying to get a rule change, then I would bring it up in the forum chat for the next league (after the draft is over). See if you can't get a healthy discussion from both sides and then post a poll to see what the majority decides. It's not obvious this should happen though. Resting does happen IRL and as we are striving for a realistic basketball simulation, who decides how much is acceptable?"

Pex is right, how do we determine what is fair, do we have some committee, do we comb through every box score, what is reasonable? There is really no way to ban it that is manageable or consistent. You should be able to rest guys here and there do combat fatigue. Tanking games, especially playoff games is stupid but crafting a rule to combat it without so much red tape is pretty exhaustive. So, I came up with this idea that I think generally solves the problem somewhat.

In the NBA, coaches are required to list players on the injury report prior to the game. So, if you are going to rest players in any game, you must post which players you are going to rest X (TBD) hours prior to the game cycle time in the league chat.

This allow coaches to continue to rest whenever they see fit. This allows opposing coaches to make lineup adjustments if they want because they don't necessarily need to run out their best players max minutes when they other teams best players aren't available. I think this is in very fair spirit of the game. In RL, nobody would have zero knowledge if a player wasn't going to play and wouldn't play their stars tons of minutes in an 80 point blowout. However, this does allow coaches the ability to rest. This does require opposing coaches to make sure they check the league chat a couple hours before tip off, a fair enough ask especially for a playoff game.

Thoughts?

This is a great idea but it also seems like a lot of work especially for the regular season where I might not check every 12 hours so I’ll miss the injury report. But for the playoffs I think this is an amazing idea and honestly the way it should be done.

If a player is listed for less than half there minutes in a playoff game they must be listed on the injury report at least 1 hour and 52mins before the game or the team gets a 4 bowis point fine.