Well, this happens after each live draft. It’s not a big deal. This was my suggested resolution to eliminate something that no one really cares about. When we went down to 10 live draft positions, I thought it would help to draft all starters and core contributors in the live draft.

I can say certainly the spirit of the league is not fighting over minimum salary players. We wanted to get away from that- and I was one of the primary owners ensuring I’d get my cost saver filler. Do we really care how many James Owens or the cheap Rickey Dudley’s that are on multiple rosters? We can work smarter and remove this. No one is being penalized or given an advantage. Just make the 325-399K all available post draft.

sitemailed the remaining 1 edit. and 1 team left to post salary and enter their team.

If we get these items completed before 11pm EST, we could see the rosters and schedule thereafter at 1130pm or so. Thank you for everyone's patience.

• Ethan Tremblay : We'll have to do that tomorrow. We close in five minutes.

  Peter Highman : It's 6:35, sir.

  Lonnie : What are you, my f-----g boss? You make the hours? I say when we close. l got reservations at Chili's. I'm meeting my boys.

  Peter Highman : You have a reservation at Chili's?

  Ethan Tremblay : That's actually smart. l mean, it gets busy on a Wednesday night.

Seems like a great idea to me having all salaries under $400k available as duplicates and reduce down time.

I kind of like this idea, but my vote might depend on exactly how we structure this rule.

I think three or four times over these past 3 draft seasons, I have intentionally drafted either Carlos Carson, Vernon Davis, or Rickey Dudley, expressly because they have useful seasons as a starter and can also be filler if I end up in a budget crunch. Last season I used Carlos Carson as a starter, this season as a bench player.

I could see the rule being that if I draft them, I have to use a season over $400k. Or it could just mean someone else could use their $325k season. I’m sure a lot of the popular ones have seasons where they cost more than $400k.

Not a hill I’d die on or anything, but I do like leaving myself options, especially because I usually have one of my teams with a more expensive defense.

Tidealer made his edit. Thank you tidealer! So we wait for rjk to post salary and enter his team. Hope everything is ok with our fellow owner.

We will leave it open for rjk until tomorrow night at 11. Hope all is ok.

As a back up plan, the 1 team owners can take the team if he does not show by then. Sitemail if interested. You would keep the live draft roster and fill the other 13 spots. Plan B would be posting an immediate fill in the classifieds with the same details.

And thank you for the feedback on the minimum salary topic. I’m fine with either way. We can vote on it during the season as well if there is enough interest. One other point is the proxy- I think we make those as soon as the window opens. I was playing commish on a proxy this draft and holding it until the end of the window (to allow late picks more time). Thankfully it worked out, but it could have went really bad if someone took their pick.

I have posted in the classifieds for an immediate fill--to take the existing team drafted. Then, complete the post draft process to populate the full roster. Might appeal to some who like themes, but can't commit to the full live draft process.

I'm in.

Just Goffing $74,882,194

I will pull the classifieds listing now. We do have 1 new person interested, so I'm working on that now.

S74,812,239 St. Louis Blues

Before we kick off our first preseason games, I always like to cover some fun facts and observations.

- How in the world was WR Randy Moss not drafted? And, also the Andy Reid era Eagles DEF that won the SB last year? Each season there are a few glaring omissions, but seems people were approaching their team construct in a different way in this draft. I was beginning to think Gronk was going to get overlooked and Marshall Faulk might still be team-less. But the following are: Marion Motley, Skeets Quinlan, Lenny Moore, Jamaal Charles, Bill Groman, Tom Fears. Owners bypassing those high skill/high dollar players for more stamina elsewhere and bang for their buck, the spending also went more on DEF, the running game, ST, K, and punter.

- Speaking of kickers- 75 % of the league has a kicker with 70 accuracy rating or better. I have the worst! A handful of owners are in the 55 to 65 range. With that in mind, how much do you trust that kicker from start to finish in a single game. Do you let him kick from anywhere? Do you change the settings based in opponent? Or the weather forecast? I let mine ride normally with no changes once I like the way the team is playing, i.e., between the 20s more so than in the red zone. We gon' learn something this year!

- Keep an eye on the Special Teams league leaders this year. So many owners banked on this. And INTS could happen more this year across the board with the draft digging deeper into the QB inventory (and a bigger emphasis on DEF and less big playmakers to knock those DEFs out of alignment). Moreover, teams are also steering away from the 3 stud WRs- that would stretch the DEF and have that consistent extra red zone threat. Not to be remiss, the growing amount RB tandems out there- and they have the receiving rating and stamina. So the formation settings may need some additional TLC from game to game.

- The explosion of theme teams this year! Many owners were getting creative with their particular vibe. This is certainly the place where you can do it and have a better chance to be competitive. Who will make their mark? The Chargers All Stars. The Walkers. The Georges. The Joneses. One of the seldom drafted QBs at a discount price. And those team names are the most spirited that we've ever had! I was sad to not be using Fun at Lakes with Noodle Salad. But we get the Blues vs the Blues in the same division!

- On the voting for rule revisions this year: The only current fodder is:

- making 325-399K players all available post draft.
- proxy picks are to be made as soon as you can when the time window opens (blow the whistle on myself rule).
- There is always talk of the banned round remaining and expanding the ban amount. Just brainstorming here:

How about we remove the banned round-- but you can ban a player or unit bubble anytime before the end of round 3 (to be made with your 1st, 2nd or 3rd round selection). Would also shorten the draft to 7 days. And, this would start to make other players/units available. With their being so many outstanding players not even drafted each season, I think this would be super fun and break up the monotony of a formal banned round. If there is fear of QBs or units getting overly banned, we could set a ban maximum per roster spot, or even have limits per round. I'd love doing this with everyone having 2 bans personally. Love to hear your thoughts. We could also just go as-is with no changes for Season 5.

As many of you know, I like to track everything and predict outcomes based on relative and overall strength, theories and a Ouija board. It works best in keeper leagues, where team salaries can have a range of $30 mil, but this format and the $50 mil league the defenses tend to be closer to similar and the relative skill scores comprise a smaller range. Additionally, with this league the defenses are overly strong based on IRL NFL seasons. If you spend 50% on your defense here, your offense will suffer, and you can’t put up as many points against stingy defenses. The result is often that expensive defenses don’t carry the team to the playoffs. In other leagues line skill scores above 60 tend to help, but here they need to be 80ish to have an impact. The model therefor will have a handful of teams that have W/L records exactly opposite of what I would expect and I will hedge my bets as outlined below.

Team	Raw scores	Rank on Raw	2QB 2RB 4WR 2TE	W/L Record Projected	Outcome In question
Run.. Run.. Bomb!	19	11	3	13-3	2-3
Oval Office	5	18	21	1-15	1-3
Brett's Buccs	16	6	13	6-10	2-2
Roll'in Thunder	12	3	1	16-0	5-0
You Need To Calm Down	18	23	24	0-16	0-3
The Low Spark of High-Heeled	15	15	12	8-8	2-1
Just Goffing	2	4	5	12-4	1-4
Walker-Welker-Walker	7	12	19	3-13	3-1
Rocky Mountain Highlanders	13	16	15	4-12	2-4
Sigmunds Raiders	23	8	11	9-7	4-0
Metropolitans	1	2	2	15-1	4-1
Keep it close Carson	9	7	4	12-4	3-4
MAY NANCES	6	1	8	13-3	3-3
Russell's Jets	17	13	20	2-14	2-5
St. Louis Blues	11	17	18	4-12	4-3
Blues Travelers	20	9	9	10-6	2-6
The Shortest Yard	24	20	22	1-15	1-4
Yogis Rocket Rangers	22	19	17	6-10	5-4
By George !!!	3	5	16	8-8	5-3
91 And Counting	14	24	14	9-7	5-2
Lawyers, Guns, and Money	21	21	10	10-6	1-6
Gotham Hitmen	4	10	6	16-0	6-0
Fouts Focus Group	10	22	23	0-16	0-3
Hyper Turbo GoGoGo	8	14	7	14-2	5-2

Teams are sorted by division.

The first column is sorted by the sum total of all of team and player skills, ranked 1-24 for all teams (most pts to least pts).

The second column ranks the sum total of 7 positions, compared to all teams (QBP+RB/WR/TE rec + OLP; QBR+RB/WR/TE run + OLR; ST/K/P; OL sack; D int+sack; D red+drive; D vs P+R)

The third is same as second, but considers only top 100 DUR of QB, 200 DUR of RB, 400 DUR of WR, 200 DUR of TE. Based on these ratings and our schedule, the W/L column would result.

The record column is what I’m going with, as it the result of many casts of the bones, smoke and mirrors, mathematical gyrations and a small djinni that resides on my shoulder. The outcomes in question are games where the teams are closely ranked (ranked within 5 of opponent’s rank) and could go either way. For example, picking on MAY NANCES, I look for them to go 13-3. Because of close games, he might not win 3 of them and go 10-6, but could just as easily not lose 3 games against equal teams and go 16-0. Similarly, By George! is so middle of the pack playing other middle of the pack teams he could win 13 or lose 11 when the dust settles. Easiest schedule – By George!, hardest schedule – You Need To Calm Down.

It looks like the AFC overall is tougher than the NFC.


Abbreviations for season IRL: QB/RBR(uns), QBC(ompletions), QBA(ttempts), RCG(completions of top 2 RB, 4 WR, 2TE), R/G C/G QA/G QC/G are run, caught pass and completions thrown per game. If you happen to max out and match IRL some comparisons bring areas to light. I consider 2-3 catches per game as weak and 6 as strong. Less than 20 carries per game is weak for a starting RB.


AFCE
Roll'in Thunder 16-0 #1 seed
QB/RBR 531 QBC 341 QBA 505 RCG 315
R/G 34 QC/G 21 QA/G 33 C/G 19
2-1-2 strongest set favor run, game plan 34 run 33 pass plays, team catches < QB completions. RBs 2 QB targets per game. Depth and injury issues with WR/TE . Strong OL and D, better vs run, weak ST and P, decent K .
Honestly, nobody goes 16-0 with this kind of parity. 17^th rated passing game, 3^rd run game.

Run.. Run.. Bomb! 13-3 #4 seed
QB/RBR 350 QBC 237 QBA 392 RCG 230
R/G 22 QC/G 21 QA/G 24 C/G 17
1-3-1 strongest set with weak #3 leaning pass, game plan 22 run 24 pass plays, team catches < QB completions. Depth and injury issues with WR/TE . RBs 2 QB targets per game. Strong and balanced OL and D, expensive ST P and K .
22^nd rated passing game, 4^th run game, 19^th OL sack.


Brett's Buccs 6-10
QB/RBR 190 QBC 363 QBA 531 RCG 330
R/G 12 QC/G 22 QA/G 33 C/G 23
1-3-1 strongest set with weak #3 heavy pass, game plan 12 run 33 pass plays. Depth and injury issues with WR4/TE . RBs 1 QB targets per game. Pass leaning OL and D, weak ST P and K .
21st rated passing game, 22nd run game, 18^th OL sack, 2^nd overall D.


Oval Office 1-15
QB/RBR 750 QBC 265 QBA 401 RCG 540
R/G 47 QC/G 17 QA/G 33 C/G 44
Any set possible, must favor run, game plan 47 run 33 pass plays. RBs 8 QB targets per game. Weak balanced D, OL weak on pass, on the weak side for ST P and K .
2^nd rated passing game, 2^nd run game, 19^th OL sack.


AFCC
Just Goffing 12-4 #3 seed
QB/RBR 480 QBC 382 QBA 587 RCG 336
R/G 30 QC/G 25 QA/G 35 C/G 21
1-3-1 strongest set leaning pass, game plan 30 run 35 pass plays, team catches < QB completions. RBs 1.5 QB targets per game. Top 10 D, better against run, OL stronger passing, weak ST P and K .
21st rated runing game, 6^th pass game, 2nd OL sack.

The Low Spark of High-Heeled 8-8
QB/RBR 430 QBC 396 QBA 572 RCG 340
R/G 27 QC/G 25 QA/G 35 C/G 22
1-3-1 strongest set with weak #3 leaning pass, game plan 27 run 35 pass plays, team catches < QB completions. Depth and injury issues with WR4/TE . RBs 2.5 QB targets per game. Average and balanced D, average ST cheap P and good K .
12th rated passing game, 7^th run game, 20^th red zone, 16^th disruptive (D sack & int).

Walker-Welker-Walker 3-13
QB/RBR 460 QBC 395 QBA 552 RCG 360
R/G 28 QC/G 24 QA/G 34 C/G 26
1-3-1 strongest set leaning run, game plan 28 run 34 pass plays, team catches = QB completions. Depth and injury issues with WR. RBs 5 QB targets per game. Strong run OL and weak run D, below average ST P and K .
12th rated passing game, 7^th run game, 21st OL sack, 22^nd D skills .

You Need To Calm Down 0-16
QB/RBR 420 QBC 477 QBA 699 RCG 520
R/G 33 QC/G 30 QA/G 43 C/G 35
1-3-1 strongest set with weak #3 leaning pass, game plan 33 run 43 pass plays, team catches > QB completions. RBs 11 QB targets per game. Average and balanced OL, better passing and average D, weaker vs pass, cheap ST P and decent K .
15^th rated passing game, 20^th run game, average D.
Nobody goes 0-16 either, but this doesn’t look like a playoff team.

AFCW
Metropolitans 15-1 #2 seed
QB/RBR 500 QBC 244 QBA 417 RCG 260
R/G 32 QC/G 15 QA/G 26 C/G 18
1-3-1 strongest set with weak #3 leaning pass, game plan 32 run 26 pass plays, team catches = QB completions. RBs 1 QB targets per game. OL strong run/weak pass and D balanced and disruptive, weak ST and average or below P K .
18^th rated passing game, 1st run game, 24^th OL sack.

Keep it close Carson 12-4 #5 seed
QB/RBR 355 QBC 342 QBA 537 RCG 280
R/G 22 QC/G 21 QA/G 33 C/G 17
2-2-1 strongest set with weak #3 leaning pass, game plan 22 run 33 pass plays, team catches < QB completions. RBs 4 QB targets per game. Strong OL +P, and balanced D better vs pass, average or below ST P and K .
4^th rated passing game, 18^th run game, average defense.

Sigmunds Raiders 9-7 #6 seed
QB/RBR 390 QBC 425 QBA 606 RCG 220
R/G 25 QC/G 25 QA/G 37 C/G 23
1-2-2 strongest set with weak #3 leaning pass, game plan 25 run 37 pass plays, team catches < QB completions. Depth and injury issues with WR3. RBs 4 QB targets/game. Strong pass OL and D better vs pass, below average ST P and K .
19^th rated passing game, 19^th run game, 5^th OL sack.

Rocky Mountain Highlanders 4-12
QB/RBR 450 QBC 188 QBA 326 RCG 230
R/G 25 QC/G 12 QA/G 20 C/G 17
1-3-1 strongest set with weak #3 leaning pass, game plan 25 run 20 pass plays, team catches = QB completions. Depth and injury issues with WR/TE . RBs 1.5 QB targets per game. Strong balanced OL and average balanced D, expensive ST and average P K .
24th rated passing game, 8^th run game, 19^th OL sack.


NFCE
MAY NANCES 13-3 #2 seed
QB/RBR 430 QBC 362 QBA 584 RCG 290
R/G 27 QC/G 23 QA/G 36 C/G 19
1-3-1 strongest set with weak #4 leaning pass, game plan 27 run 36 pass plays, team catches < QB completions. RBs 0.5 QB targets per game. Balanced OL and average balanced D, expensive ST P and average K .
8th rated passing game, 11^th run game, 17^th OL sack.

Blues Travelers 10-6 #5 seed
QB/RBR 500 QBC 196 QBA 352 RCG 230
R/G 31 QC/G 12 QA/G 22 C/G 16
2-2-1 strongest set with weak #3 leaning pass, game plan 31 run 22 pass plays, team catches = QB completions. Depth and injury issues with WR/TE . RBs 1 QB targets per game. Stronger run OL and average D better vs pass, expensive ST P and average K .
23^rd rated passing game, 15^th run game, 19^th OL sack.

St. Louis Blues 4-12
QB/RBR 523 QBC 222 QBA 303 RCG 350
R/G 35 QC/G 14 QA/G 19 C/G 22
2-2-1 strongest set with weak #3 leaning pass, game plan 35 run 19 pass plays, team catches = QB completions. RBs 7.5 QB targets per game. Strong pass weak run OL and below average balanced D, expensive ST P and great K .
5th rated passing game, 17^th run game, 22^nd D skills.

Russell's Jets 2-14
QB/RBR 508 QBC 341 QBA 516 RCG 400
R/G 33 QC/G 22 QA/G 32 C/G 27
1-3-1 strongest set with weak #3 leaning pass, game plan 33 run 32 pass plays, team catches = QB completions. Depth and injury issues with WR4/TE . RBs 3 QB targets per game. Strongest run OL and D weak vs run, strong vs pass, average ST and beloe average P K .
20th rated passing game, 5^th run game, 22^nd OL sack.


NFCC

91 And Counting 9-7 #3 seed
QB/RBR 550 QBC 375 QBA 558 RCG 455
R/G 34 QC/G 24 QA/G 35 C/G 29
1-2-2 strongest set with weak #3 leaning pass, game plan 34 run 35 pass plays, team catches = QB completions. Depth and injury issues with WR4. RBs 5 QB targets per game. Weak run strong passing OL and average balanced D, weak ST P and decent K.
10th rated passing game, 6^th run game, 2^nd D skills.

By George !!! 8-8
QB/RBR 700 QBC 290 QBA 521 RCG 350
R/G 44 QC/G 17 QA/G 33 C/G 24
2-2-1 strongest set with favor run, game plan 44 run 33 pass plays, team catches = QB completions. RBs 2 QB targets per game. Stronger pass OL and average D weak vs run strong vs pass, cheap ST and average P K .
14th rated passing game, 16^th run game, 19^th D skills.

The Shortest Yard 1-15
QB/RBR 400 QBC 388 QBA 549 RCG 360
R/G 25 QC/G 24 QA/G 36 C/G 24
1-3-1 strongest set leaning pass, game plan 25 run 36 pass plays, team catches = QB completions. Depth and injury issues with RB. RBs 2 QB targets per game. Stronger run OL and average balanced D, average ST P and great K .
16th rated passing game, 23^rd run game, 16^th OL sack, 19^th D skills.


NFCW
Gotham Hitmen 16-0 #1 seed
QB/RBR 515 QBC 414 QBA 606 RCG 390
R/G 34 QC/G 26 QA/G 38 C/G 26
1-3-1 strongest set with leaning pass, game plan 34 run 38 pass plays, team catches = QB completions. RBs 1 QB targets per game. Weak run OL strong passing and below average balanced D, expensive ST decent K weak P.
1^st rated passing game, 13^th run game, 1st OL sack.

Hyper Turbo GoGoGo 14-2 #4 seed
QB/RBR 320 QBC 325 QBA 499 RCG 230
R/G 20 QC/G 20 QA/G 31 C/G 15
1-3-1 strongest set leaning pass, game plan 20 run 31 pass plays, team catches < QB completions. Depth and injury issues with TE. RBs 2 QB targets per game. Stronger run OL and D strong vs run, expensive ST K and below average P.
9th rated passing game, 9^th run game, 1^st D skills, 24^th red zone/drive.

Lawyers, Guns, and Money 10-6 #6 seed
QB/RBR 342 QBC 388 QBA 596 RCG 320
R/G 21 QC/G 24 QA/G 37 C/G 22
2-2-1 strongest set with weak #3 favor pass, game plan 21 run 37 pass plays, team catches < QB completions. Depth and injury issues with WR/TE . RBs 5 QB targets per game. Strong pass weak run OL and D weak vs run strong vs pass, average ST decent K, cheap P .
10th rated passing game, 23^rd run game.

Fouts Focus Group 0-16
QB/RBR 480 QBC 360 QBA 609 RCG 375
R/G 30 QC/G 22 QA/G 38 C/G 24
1-3-1 strongest set leaning pass, game plan 30 run 38 pass plays, team catches = QB completions. Depth and injury issues with WR/TE . RBs 4 QB targets per game. Stronger run OL and weak D especially vs run, average ST P and K .
14th rated passing game, 15^th run game, 24^th D skills.



Keep in mind when you’re celebrating a 15 stamina WR that has 3 catches in a preseason game that preseason performances don’t include fatigue and injuries

While I don't pretend to comprehend the nuances of kaniac's complicated stats + djinni (?), I'll chime in that I took only his top 8 seeded teams and assessed using a few tools in my bag. From that, Thunder does look strong, and i might take Carson over the Metropolitans. Gotham does not seem to me as awesome as kaniac's prognostication.
I agree that the AFC championship game could be the Super Bowl in disguise.

The team by team comparisons is about whether your rec'g corps has catches at least equal to your QB completions. Or how many carries before maxing out and fatiguing RB/QB.

My kicker with 70 FG is hitting at 28% rn lol