Posted by thewizard37 on 3/31/2026 10:24:00 PM (view original):
Pete Rose was a disgusting human being. He had a relationship with an underaged girl when he was 34. If he doesn't make the HOF, I'm totally fine with that.

Rose belongs in the HOF.

Posted by The_Creeper on 4/16/2026 8:18:00 AM (view original):
Ty Cobb supposedly assaulted a disabled person. Do you remove him? There were many other true racists also.....do they get removed? Im not defending Rose but saying there is a lot of flaws in many of the heroes.

Many experts don’t believe a lot of the ALLEGATIONS about Cobb. Rose stuff is fact. Big difference.

Posted by RedMustard on 5/25/2026 9:57:00 PM (view original):
When it comes to hall of fame its all about what happened between the lines. Before Bonds started juicing he still had a war above 100. He belongs.


Rose, Bonds, Clemens are all sure fire HOFers.

Harold Baines... not so much.

It is a debate over values and cheating and extreme disrespect for the game. It is like a civil war. I’m very glad most people are against the HOF for people that have caused irreparable harm to the game. Bonds knows what he did and doesn’t even squawk.

HOF for Rose and Bonds is supported by people who believe in I don’t know what. But it is the country we live in.

The Hall of Fame ballot specifies that integrity, sportsmanship, and character are among the criteria to be evaluated for eligibility to the Hall. To ignore those standards would turn it into a farce.

You don’t just naturally become a Monster Power Hitter that late in your career, and look like a body builder when you’ve been lanky your whole career and start hitting 60-73 HRs. Just a Cheater they let get by with it to bring in viewers.

Posted by Kaboom1969 on 6/13/2026 7:01:00 PM (view original):
You don’t just naturally become a Monster Power Hitter that late in your career, and look like a body builder when you’ve been lanky your whole career and start hitting 60-73 HRs. Just a Cheater they let get by with it to bring in viewers.

A lot of people root for cheaters and think that they have a god given right to cheat and nobody should say a word against them.

Posted by just4me on 6/14/2026 9:03:00 AM (view original):
Bonds only hit more than 50 HR in a season once.

During the same season that several other hitters all reached career highs in HR.

His ‘01 is what happens when a guy with regular 35-45 HR power has a season with good batted ball luck.

So many don’t understand how big the impact of random variation is in baseball.

They think Brady Anderson’s 50 HR season is a PED thing, when it’s almost 100% random variation: Ballpark and batted ball distribution. You’ll have an outlier like that roughly every 7 years: Brady Anderson, Bonds’ 2001 (what happens when the outlier occurs with an already great player, and it wasn’t even that extreme an outlier), Davey Johnson, Ned Williamson, Tilly Walker, Jacoby Ellsbury, Chase Headley, Jose Bautista, Aaron Hill, Mike Donlin, etc…). Most outliers are from guys (the majority of players) that hit fewer than 25 HR, so them still hitting fewer than 30 isn’t noticeable or significant. Or when a 3-5 HR guy hits 10-12.

Bonds is what happens when greatness overlaps with ball changes and expansion. Look at HR rates every expansion (and he got two in his career). Plus, known ball changes that livened the ball: 1872, 1920, 1930, 1946, ‘86, mid-‘93, ‘99, ‘01, mid-15 (not to mention the ones that deadened it: ‘31, ‘37, 42, ‘88, 2021). Of which Bonds also had his career overlap with four! Four lively ball changes and two expansions (including a ball change overlapping an expansion).

Study after study has shown that impact of PEDs on baseball has little to no impact on performance (at most Bonds gained roughly 50-55 career HR, though most studies have him in the 15-25 range, and these are all almost entirely due to playing more games from injury recovery). It’s only impact is on injury recovery, which lets star players play more games every season. So McGwire played 150+ instead of the 90-130 he’d been getting, Bonds came back from knee injury and played full seasons, Ripken played every day, etc… guys who play more games will put up more counting stats. Their relative rates didn’t differ from their career relative norms in production though.

‘01 is when post-expansion lively ball changes meet batted ball luck. His career is one of steady dominance and the BB are what really set him apart, and those aren’t controversial.

Sorry but this this is a bunch of crazy crap and rationalization and very good lawyering.
The only expansion relevant is his head. One day his brain will be studied.

Too smart for school.

Posted by just4me on 6/15/2026 7:12:00 PM (view original):
The whole site has good references, and dates to the "steroid era" so was looking at things even from within the lense of the times, but this page in particular is a great reference to the impact of changes to the ball (hardball times, now a part of fangraphs, has several others, and Meredith Wills work more recently is equally instructive): https://steroids-and-baseball.com/changing-baseball.shtml

Here you can reference the yearly HR rate, and note expansions and years with known ball changes. HR rate didn't typically return to pre-expansion levels for 3-4 years, and only returned post lively ball changes with additional ball deadening changes (noted above as well): https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/majors/bat.shtml?

Some fun data on the BB side of things, showing that Bonds was Bonds before PEDS and didn't change after: https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/19371/western-front-pass-the-bonds-please/

Also, this one is about Hank Aaron, but look at Bonds...If Bonds had never hit a single HR in his career he would still be the 40th (26th just for hitters) most valuable player of all time (http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/WAR_career.shtml). Clearly still a sure thing HOF candidate. (For the record, if Ruth had never HRed, he'd still be the 12th best hitter of all time and 18th overall); http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/if-hank-aaron-had-never-hit-a-home-run-would-he-be-a-hall-of-famer/

I admit that I didn’t read this word for word but I say that we are living in a post truth post common sense post accountability post morality post integrity post priorities world.

If I want lawyering ill watch Mickey Haller.

what i discount is Known ball changes

what i heard all my life is baseball sayin We never changed the ball

i don believe MLB but...

yer sayin a factory in costa rica or ecuador or some damn where

employing many little ol ladies w/ sewing machines stitched better looser thicker lazier you choose the term

baseballs that account for Bonds



what changes in the ball are known?