Seems like in reading posts in several different topics, a lot of you guys are dumping the closer role and setting all of your late RP's to SU roles instead. Closer by committee. What dictates to you when you would actually use a closer or go with a committee? Also, how many of you are actually using the Long A / Long B option or are you just going with Long A and letting the AI call in the reliever? What are your determining factors for this?

saves dont mean crap. use your best reliever as setup a. nobody's feelings will be hurt if they're not the official closer on your hbd team. setting someone as a closer limits how often he'll be used, which is a waste of your best talent.

Best short reliever at A and the rest at B?

indeed

or if they really suck set em as mopup

I use tiers. So I have 2 As and 2 Bs.

I'll use a closer if and only if he is pretty strong, but has a low DUR/STA combo and will get less than 45-50 ip even if I used him as a Set Up A.
That's the real reason a lot of owners don't use the closer role. A great RP who could log 65-75 ip (or more) at setup A, will only get 45-50ish innings as a closer.
So they want to maximize the amount of innings their best relief guy will get by having him pitch more. 

Some still use a closer and argue that "all innings aren't the same" so they'd rather a guy ONLY pitch in 9th inning high leverage situations. I disagree with that because there are many other high leverage situations, and I want the best guy available to get the ball in as many of those as possible, not just in the 9th.

Posted by mchalesarmy on 10/18/2013 8:52:00 AM (view original):
I use tiers. So I have 2 As and 2 Bs.

I'll use a closer if and only if he is pretty strong, but has a low DUR/STA combo and will get less than 45-50 ip even if I used him as a Set Up A.
That's the real reason a lot of owners don't use the closer role. A great RP who could log 65-75 ip (or more) at setup A, will only get 45-50ish innings as a closer.
So they want to maximize the amount of innings their best relief guy will get by having him pitch more. 

Some still use a closer and argue that "all innings aren't the same" so they'd rather a guy ONLY pitch in 9th inning high leverage situations. I disagree with that because there are many other high leverage situations, and I want the best guy available to get the ball in as many of those as possible, not just in the 9th.

+1, emphatically, to all of this.  The reason for tiers is that you want to have your second-best reliever come in to a high-leverage situation if your best is too fatigued to go that day... this way I usually have a good reliever available to pitch whichever inning(s) among 7-9 are needed to win the game. 

Just as mchalesarmy, I use a closer only if he is one of the two best relievers in my pen but also can't make more than about 60 IP (I go a little higher than mchalesarmy) in any role.

Posted by sergei91 on 10/18/2013 8:06:00 AM (view original):
or if they really suck set em as mopup

If they really suck, why would you have them on your roster?

sergie hates to win.

i hope to win. most of the time it does not happen

Ya know they have this little box that makes it so your closer doesn't only come in during save situations. Its a good role for guys who have low stanima

Posted by mchalesarmy on 10/18/2013 8:52:00 AM (view original):
I use tiers. So I have 2 As and 2 Bs.

I'll use a closer if and only if he is pretty strong, but has a low DUR/STA combo and will get less than 45-50 ip even if I used him as a Set Up A.
That's the real reason a lot of owners don't use the closer role. A great RP who could log 65-75 ip (or more) at setup A, will only get 45-50ish innings as a closer.
So they want to maximize the amount of innings their best relief guy will get by having him pitch more. 

Some still use a closer and argue that "all innings aren't the same" so they'd rather a guy ONLY pitch in 9th inning high leverage situations. I disagree with that because there are many other high leverage situations, and I want the best guy available to get the ball in as many of those as possible, not just in the 9th.

+1

This is pretty close to what I do as well. Usually 2 SUA's (one LH and one RH in a perfect world, but not always) and 2-3 SUB's (once again, with a mix of LH and RH if possible) is how my pen is usually set up.

I'll also use a closer occasionally, but only if its a guy like mchalesarmy described. A really good, less than 50 innings per season anyway, pitcher. It doesn't happen too much that I have this type of player. More often than not, my bullpens are set up closer-less.

I hate LHP

So, as Mariano Rivera closes out his career, the HBD closer role is officially deemed obsolete. We all agree? Done. Cool.

Concerning Long A and B, I like to use both.
Essentially my Long B is just a glorified Mopup guy, with slightly better ratings. 
He basically only pitches when my starter has struggled and has reached his PC early, but the Long A is fatigued past his auto-rest setting.
I will also use him to spot start rather than my Long A, because I'd rather not have my Long A be 3 or 4 days away from being available after a start.
In the rare occasion that my starter gets blown up in the first few innings, I also want my Long B coming in like a mopup, so my other guys can get rest if needed.