Posted by mizzou77 on 5/20/2014 2:24:00 PM (view original):

Posted by alblack56 on 5/20/2014 12:47:00 PM (view original):
I feel there should be a minimum of 12 wins to make the PIT.   The worst possible record would then be 12-15, or .444.  So, I voted for .425

My feelings 100%

Just FYI: 12-16 would also qualify (0.4286), as would 13-17 (0.4333). Meanwhile, 12-17 would just miss the cut (0.4138).

Based on the poll results, it's clear that most people would prefer a minimum win% for the PIT.  Although .500 had the most votes, I'm not comfortable going that far just yet.  I'm going to institute a .425 minimum for now and we can re-evaluate later on if necessary.

Looked at another way, grouping the three toughest restrictions and the three loosest, the looser holds a 59-41 advantage. I am VERY glad you didn't go with 500, given the general sentiment of the boards was for 425 or less.

Posted by seble on 5/21/2014 8:53:00 AM (view original):
Based on the poll results, it's clear that most people would prefer a minimum win% for the PIT.  Although .500 had the most votes, I'm not comfortable going that far just yet.  I'm going to institute a .425 minimum for now and we can re-evaluate later on if necessary.

I asked this before, but didn't see the answer. Is this for D1, or for all divisions?

I ask because most people who provided a justification for a minimum did so in the context of D1, where big 6 conferences have a built-in advantage with higher baseline prestige, while that factor doesn't exist the same way in D2/D3.

Also, is this effective immediately, or only once seasons roll in a particular world?

Put another way, did #80 on the projection report S. Indiana just potentially get shut out of all post-season play?

Applies to all divisions and is effective immediately.

Just for possible future reference - 

With only two games left, the #30 team on the projection report (Wisconsin, Parkside) - a "LOCK" for the NT if they had a .500 winning percentage - may end up with no post-season play at all.

Just wanted to make sure you realize the impact of this beyond D1, because I feel like the discussion has focused solely on the Big 6 issue.

At the D2/D3 level, if you're in a top-level conference filled with people and you have a good-but-not-great team, you now pretty much *have* to schedule 10 easy wins in OOC. There's no benefit to playing other humans (with respect to making post-season play, not enjoyment) and there is a very real risk of not only missing the NT, but also the PIT.

Posted by zbrent716 on 5/21/2014 12:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by seble on 5/21/2014 8:53:00 AM (view original):
Based on the poll results, it's clear that most people would prefer a minimum win% for the PIT.  Although .500 had the most votes, I'm not comfortable going that far just yet.  I'm going to institute a .425 minimum for now and we can re-evaluate later on if necessary.

I asked this before, but didn't see the answer. Is this for D1, or for all divisions?

I ask because most people who provided a justification for a minimum did so in the context of D1, where big 6 conferences have a built-in advantage with higher baseline prestige, while that factor doesn't exist the same way in D2/D3.

Also, is this effective immediately, or only once seasons roll in a particular world?

Put another way, did #80 on the projection report S. Indiana just potentially get shut out of all post-season play?

not if they win 3 of their next 4. 

Posted by dacj501 on 5/21/2014 12:26:00 PM (view original):

Posted by zbrent716 on 5/21/2014 12:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by seble on 5/21/2014 8:53:00 AM (view original):
Based on the poll results, it's clear that most people would prefer a minimum win% for the PIT.  Although .500 had the most votes, I'm not comfortable going that far just yet.  I'm going to institute a .425 minimum for now and we can re-evaluate later on if necessary.

I asked this before, but didn't see the answer. Is this for D1, or for all divisions?

I ask because most people who provided a justification for a minimum did so in the context of D1, where big 6 conferences have a built-in advantage with higher baseline prestige, while that factor doesn't exist the same way in D2/D3.

Also, is this effective immediately, or only once seasons roll in a particular world?

Put another way, did #80 on the projection report S. Indiana just potentially get shut out of all post-season play?

not if they win 3 of their next 4. 

"Potentially."

They could just go an win the CT tournament and make the NT if they can knock off 3 or 4 ranked teams.

sorry, didn't know you were just looking for someone to check your math. Yes, if they do not win enough of their remaining games they will miss the post-season. So they did potentially get shut out of all postseason play. 

S. Indiana just needs to win 3 more game without losing in the conference semi-finals, then they'd still be out.  Possibilities:

• Win last 3 regular season and lose in 1st round: 12-15.   That's ok.
• Win 2 of 3 and win 1st CT game; lose 2nd: 12-16.  That's ok.
• Lose 2 of 3 to finish reg. season, win 2 CT games, but lose in conference semis:  12-17.  Out!
• Lose all 3 games, win 3 CT games; lose CT championship: 12-18.  Also, Out!

It could be revisited later, but I am sure that I am right: 0.400 is the best way to go.  Baby steps. 

Of those 9 teams with losing records that made the PIT in IBA, this will make it a mere 7 teams that make it. It's something, but didn't go far enough.

That team mentioned above only needs to win 1 of their next 3 games to make the PIT.

Posted by zbrent716 on 5/21/2014 12:24:00 PM (view original):
Just for possible future reference - 

With only two games left, the #30 team on the projection report (Wisconsin, Parkside) - a "LOCK" for the NT if they had a .500 winning percentage - may end up with no post-season play at all.

Just wanted to make sure you realize the impact of this beyond D1, because I feel like the discussion has focused solely on the Big 6 issue.

At the D2/D3 level, if you're in a top-level conference filled with people and you have a good-but-not-great team, you now pretty much *have* to schedule 10 easy wins in OOC. There's no benefit to playing other humans (with respect to making post-season play, not enjoyment) and there is a very real risk of not only missing the NT, but also the PIT.

this team is 11-13. They just need to win 1 of their next 3 or 4. That could even be 1st CT game, even if they lose in the CT 2nd rd they would then finish 12-16 and make the PIT cut. 

Posted by stinenavy on 5/21/2014 12:31:00 PM (view original):
Of those 9 teams with losing records that made the PIT in IBA, this will make it a mere 7 teams that make it. It's something, but didn't go far enough.

That team mentioned above only needs to win 1 of their next 3 games to make the PIT.

stinenavy - Are you talking about D2/D3? If so, can you go back and check the projection report to see who would have gotten those 2 spots?

If it's anything like Tark's is at the moment, it will be two sim-coached teams from weak conferences - again, D2/D3 level; D1 is a different animal. I fail to see how that is an improvement.

16 loss teams don't deserve postseason berths.

Posted by stinenavy on 5/21/2014 12:38:00 PM (view original):
16 loss teams don't deserve postseason berths.

They do over sim-coached teams with RPIs in the triple digits.